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O ovoj tematici se jako malo zna. Ova 2 stanja često se zamijenjuju i budu pogrešno dijagnosticirani sa vaginalnom kandidom. Radi se o prekomjernom rastu i razmnožavanju laktobacila u rodnici čiji su inače normalni stanovnici vaginalne flore rodnice. Jedan od uzročnika prekomjernog rasta laktobacila jest uzimanje probiotika tj probiotičkih kultura.
Pusti odlasci kod različitih ginekologa - izlazila sam uvijek sa hrpom vaginaleta za liječenje od kandide, bez da su radili razmaz iscjetka na predmetnom stakalcu za dokazivanje kandide. Mislim da su me od početka krivo liječili i sustavno trovali toliko da imam rane, crvenilo i pečenje anogenitalne regije. Sada to pokušavam sanirati, ali još nisam našla nešto na što bi sluznica reagirala tako da se crvenilo i svi ostali simptomi povuku tj da se ona regenerira.
Jel netko možda prošao ili prolazi istu muku kao i ja?

Trenutno probavam ispiranje sa sodom bikarbonom, prije sam radila kupke sa kamilicom, ali nije bilo od pomoći. Radila sam kupke i od lišća kadulje, definitvno bolje nego kamilica.

Ima li tko ikakav savjet što učiniti?

Evo linka o čemu se radi: http://www.femigel.info/citoliticka-vaginoza/

http://www.femigel.info/laktobaciloza/
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daaaaj nemoj me zezati
pa i ja se mučim s kandidim odnosno mislila sam da je kandida skoro već godinu dana svaki ciklus




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Jesu ti radili svaki put razmaz iscjetka na stakalcu?

Jel mi vjeruješ da sam ja već pola godine luda od toga što mi prepisuju stalno vaginalete na istu foru, a samo prvi put su mi dokazali kandidu u razmazu, poslije toga više nisu već na temelju toga bi samo zaključili, opet imate iscjedak (btw koji nije bio grudičast koji je karakterističan za kandidu). Što je najveća fora, na antikandida dijeti sam već mjesec dana, idem na biorezonancu i rečeno mi je kako više nemam kandide, a simptomi su i dalje tu.
Već pola godine kopam po internetu što bi to moglo biti jer petero ginekologa kod kojih sam bila, nemaju pojma radit svoj posao: oni samo znaju za pojam bakterijska infekcija ili gljivična infekcija (kandida), tutnu ti recept za vaginalete i pošalju te doma. I to svaki put tako.
I naravno nezaobilazni savjet: uzimajte probiotike. A nitko ne priča o negativnihm učincima probiotika. Do prije tjedan dana uzimala sam konstantno probiotke - Acidosalus u tekćem obliku, vaginalete acidosalusa te probiotike u kapsulama i tabletama: Biokult Candea, Yeast Fighters od Twinlaba i zadnje od Calivite Probiobalans. na svoju ruku prestala sam ih piti. I probiotičke jogurte sam izbacila. Vidjet ćemo.
Samo mi preostaje pitanje: kod kojeg sad stručnjaka ići - kojeg ginekologa ili kojeg dermatovenerologa koji će imati pojma o nečemu? Stanje mi je užasno i deprimirana sam već duže vrijeme od cijele te situacije.
Poslala sam čak mail jednoj privatnoj dermatovenerološkoj poliklinici-čekam njihov odgovor već par dana....bit će da ni oni nisu čuli ništa o toj tematici, zato nisam ni dobila povratni odgovor.

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Ja sam prošle godine na moru osjetila peckanjei i bjeli iscjedak i ok već sam se susrela s kandidom i uzela plimikol mislim da se zove krema na svoju ruku
Nisam na moru namjeravala ići ginekologu..nakon toga dobila i u prvom dijelu ciklusa više manje ok...u drugom djelu opet peckanje i iscjedak...odem i uzmem canisten...par dana ok dobijem mengu nakon nje opet normalno. Onda opet, odem kod ginekologa, potvrdi kandidu tim razmazom dobijem oralno onu jednu tableticu vaginalete i ja i partner kremu. Sve to prođe i mislim da sledeći mjesec sam osjećala samo suhoću rodnice i da je iscjedak bio vrlo mali.....tako možda i mjesec ili dva....i onda opet...odem kod ginekologa i kažem da sam možda u nekoj predmenopauzi da bi trebali to možda ozbiljnije riješiti, kaže ona vidjet ćemo probajte s ovim vaginaletama...ne znam koje su i preporuči mi šampon za ispiranje. Međutim ja sam uvijek u drugom dijelu ciklusa s vaginaletama ili ne s tim šampončićem ili ne u drugom djelu ciklusa suha, nekad mi iscjedak peckanje i crvenilo su jači nekad slabiji.....odustala sam od ginekologa, uzela gynopro sunčla taj dio, uzela ulje crnog kima, stavljala bijeli luk, tampone s lgg_om,....ne znam ne mogu se više sjetiti šta još. Nisam bila na antikandida dijeti.....ali stanje je uvijek isto. Osjećam to peckanje i suhoću redovito u drugom dijelu ciklusa...nisam ni znala za ovo...ovo mi je prva vjest
Mislim i ja sam već izfrustrirana nije mi ni do spolnog odnosa, neugodno mi je sjediti........ne znam




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Hm, piše da se citolitička vaginoza najviše očituje u drugom dijelu ciklusa, te po nastupu menstruacijskog krvarenja, dolazi do recimo kratkotrajnog olakšanja tj povlačenja simptoma jer je krv sama po sebi alkalna. Ja kod sebe to nisam primjetila, već kod mene perzistiraju simptomi kroz sve dane ciklusa, a kad dobijem mjesečnicu onda bude još i gore :/

I meni su oralno prepisivali Itrac i Diflucan (Fluconax), ali nikakvih poboljšanja nije bilo, čak štoviše mislim da su mi ti lijekovi uništili jetru.

A kakva ti je sluznica dolje? Jel se crveni, jel imaš eritematozna područja? Kod mene je sve crveno, i velike i male usne i na samom ulazu u rodnicu. To me peče kao da me netko zalio s kiselinom :/ Dugo sam mislila da imam vulvodiniju, al to je nešto sasvim deseto.

Nadam se da će se još netko javiti s istim/sličnim problemima.
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je crvena je koliko vidim...a ne znam šta je eritematozna




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Pa eritematozna područja znači toliko crveno područje, da se onako stvori kao rana (dublje crvenilo). Zato sam mislila da imam možda herpes. Ali bris je ispao negativan.
Jedna forumašica savjetovala me da probam mazati sa Pavlovićevom masti. Jesi ti štogod koristila za obnovu sluznice? ( osim plymicola, canesten krema i svih tih otrova)
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ne.....koristila sam gynopro od aromare......
nemam takvih tegoba.....
meni užasno smeta ta suhoća.....
dobro jesi ginekolozima rekla da misliš da je citološka vaginoza
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ja sam znala koristiti nekad kadulju jer je to stari mamin lijek ali ne mogu reći da mi je nešto značajnije bilo bolje......
a sodu bikarbonu koju koristiš kako koliko




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a kako si koristila kadulju? ja bi napravila čaj od kadulje, ostavila da se ohladi i onda prije i nakon kupanja prebrisala sa namočenom vatom u čaj sluznicu.Nisam primjetila poboljšanje pa sam prešla od prije tjedan dana na sodu bikarbonu. Zakuham vodu u kuhalu i prelijem s 1 dcl prokuhane vode 2 male žličice sode. To pustim da se ohladi i onda isto prebrišem sa vaticom sluznicu. Čini mi se da nešto malo pomaže, samo prekratki je period u kojem to koristim, da mogu zaključiti da ima nekih pomaka.
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