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Nepročitano 25-10-17, 11:20   #11
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Uopće nemam ambicija ikoga uvjeravati u išta. To je čisto gubljenje vremena. Ne može se forsirati ni silovati napredak.

Znam što znam, baš kao što i ti znaš što znaš - i svi sretni i zadovoljni.

Svatko živi svoj život sukladno razini njegove svijesti.


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Uopće nemam ambicija ikoga uvjeravati u išta. To je čisto gubljenje vremena. Ne može se forsirati ni silovati napredak.

Znam što znam, baš kao što i ti znaš što znaš - i svi sretni i zadovoljni.

Svatko živi svoj život sukladno razini njegove svijesti.
Naprotiv, problem je upravo u tome sto ne znas sto znas i sto ne znas vec mislis da je ono u sto vjerujes + neke emotivne projekcije na nejasne floskule = znanje.

I da je izbjegavanje rasprave kada se pita nesto konkretno zbog toga sto si iznad nje, a ne sto odgovora nemas jer ti ni samoj nije jasno u sto uopce vjerujes.


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Naprotiv, problem je upravo u tome sto ne znas sto znas i sto ne znas vec mislis da je ono u sto vjerujes + neke emotivne projekcije na nejasne floskule = znanje.

I da je izbjegavanje rasprave kada se pita nesto konkretno zbog toga sto si iznad nje, a ne sto odgovora nemas jer ti ni samoj nije jasno u sto uopce vjerujes.
Dokaze uvijek traže oni kojima nedostaje osobni uvid, znanje ili spoznaja.

No, njima nikakav dokaz ionako nije dovoljan jer bez osobnog uvida, spoznaje ili iskustva sva teorija i znanost ovog svijeta pada u vodu i bespredmetna je osim za intelektualne egzibicije u kojima takvi uživaju s obzirom da su uvjereni da je um neprikosnoveni i jedino područje u kojem se ljudsko biće može manifestirati.

Ako si slijep, ne postoji način da ti objasnim boje - niti ti mogu dočarati ljepotu simfonijske glazbe ako si gluh. Tu znanost nikakva ne pomaže i to nema nikakve veze s iskazivanjem nadmoći nego je naprosto činjenica.

Upuštanje u takve rasprave bi bilo neproduktivno i to je sve. Potreba za dokazivanjem dolazi iz nesigurnosti, straha i neznanja, jednako kao i potreba za provokacijom.


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Dokaze izbjegavaju oni koji pokusavaju podvaliti mastu pod znanje.

To je pogotovo smjesno kada se pri tome pozovu na znanost kada im odgovara (ocuvanje mase i energije, konverzija mase i energije), ali kada im ne odgovara ili postane ocito kako ne znaju ni na sto su se pozvali odjednom znanost ne valja.

Svaki paranoidni sizofrenicar svasta "spoznaje". Subjektivno iskustvo ne znaci nista. Dokazi, naprotiv, znace sve.


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Dokaze izbjegavaju oni koji pokusavaju podvaliti mastu pod znanje.
Ja uopće ne pokušavam ništa podvaliti nikome.

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Svaki paranoidni sizofrenicar svasta "spoznaje". Subjektivno iskustvo ne znaci nista. Dokazi, naprotiv, znace sve.
reductio ad ridiculum

Imaš pravo na svoje mišljenje.

Moje je mišljenje da je subjektivno iskustvo jedino značajno, s obzirom da ne živim tvoj život, niti život XY znanstvenika, nego svoj, pa je onda jedino važno na koji ga način ja doživljavam - neovisno o tome što znanost u kojem trenutku povijesti kaže.

Znanost tako može nešto u određenom trenutku potkrijepiti ili ne.

Iskustvo mi je najbolji učitelj, baš kao i onaj vječni zakon uzroka i posljedica. Znači, ono što me dovede do sreće, blagostanja, mira i zdravlja je ono što je za mene JEDINO mjerodavno.


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Description: When a decision is based solely on quantitative observations (i.e., metrics, hard data, statistics) and all qualitative factors are ignored.

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Measure whatever can be easily measured.
Disregard that which cannot be measured easily.
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Kada se govori o fizikalnim pojmovima poput ocuvanja ili transformacije energije i materije onda se govori o konkretnim kvantifajabilnim velicinama i procesima.

Ako pak netko odluci svoje nejasne ocjecaje i "iskustva" na njih proicirat na nacin da stvori kupus iz kojega se ne moze upetljat pa je odjednom sve to duhovno i nespoznatljivo obicnom neprosvjetljenom umu - prodaje maglu.

Tebi moze biti znacajno bilo sto. Mozda mislis da si napoleon ili Isus, mozda mislis da te ganjaju reptili, mozda mislis da je zemlja ravna i mozda mislis da se suncevrti oko zemlje. Nesto od toga mogu potvrditi paranoidno-sizofrencina iskustva, a nesto poput sunca oko zemlje i oci sviju nas.

Ali to sto je tebi bitno ne znaci da je tocno i ima ikakvog smisla.


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Uh..cita li itko opis teme?

Video klipovi... onako..malim lijepim slovekima..



jao.. Bamakhepa ako imas sto reci o Vasudevu onda neka to bude nesto s dokazima, jer ocito osobna misljenja i iskustva su nam potpuno nebitna ovdje, jel? hah! morao sam


No dobro, nije bitno, uglavnom onda barem reci sto je netocno ili krivo covjek rekao i zasto, inace nikakva rasprava s drugim ljudima nema smisla.. to je valjda jasno.


No ne znam koji dokaz tocno mislis naci, dokaz da Vasudev ili bilo tko drugi poznaju sami sebe? Jer o tome covjek prica.. svom iskustvu, ne tudem.
Govori o tome sto nas pokrece, kao ljudska bica uopce. Zasto se ustajes svako jutro iz kreveta? Zasto radis, govoris, pises, pricas sa drugima? Zasto? Zasto zelis zivjeti?

I onda kaze svoje misljenje kako bi bilo najbolje zivjeti i iskusiti zivot i zasto.

O tome covjek prica.. i kako se ti osjecaji unutar nas samih prenose na ovaj nas fizicki svijet u obliku stvaranja necega.

Kako mislis da ce ti itko ikad dokazati da je spoznao sto je npr. ljubav?


Mozes li ikad opisati osjecaj rijecima potpuno tocno tako da svi odmah znaju o cemu pricas?

Ne mozes. Bit ce nekakva mastarijska aproksimacija..
Eto, kad covjek kaze energija, mozda misli na osjecaj..ono sto svi osobno osjecamo za sebe.


Imas li dokaz da poznajes samog sebe? Kako ces znati da li je istina ili ne?


I btw.. gdje je rekao da drugi ne mogu spoznati to sto je on spoznao ili da ga ne mogu shvatiti?


Takoder.. kao misao vodilja komentiranja klipova, molim vas drzite se onog sto je receno ili napravljeno, a ne osobnih misljenja o nekom drugom covjeku..

Takoder, razlikujmo barem fizicke radnje od misli i osjecaja..


A za one koji se zele zabavljati (samim sobom), evo vam nesto za dokazivanje.. dokazite (sebi prvo) da imate osjecaje, o necemu.. ili da ih nemate, a onda ako to uspijete onda si objasnite zasto ih imate.. ili nemate
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Kada se govori o fizikalnim pojmovima poput ocuvanja ili transformacije energije i materije onda se govori o konkretnim kvantifajabilnim velicinama i procesima.

Ako pak netko odluci svoje nejasne ocjecaje i "iskustva" na njih proicirat na nacin da stvori kupus iz kojega se ne moze upetljat pa je odjednom sve to duhovno i nespoznatljivo obicnom neprosvjetljenom umu - prodaje maglu.
Da, i ... to ni na koji način ne isključuje moj osobni doživljaj.

Jbte, ti si ko misaona policija! Zabranjeto je razmišljati drugačije od Bame!!!

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Tebi moze biti znacajno bilo sto. Mozda mislis da si napoleon ili Isus, mozda mislis da te ganjaju reptili, mozda mislis da je zemlja ravna i mozda mislis da se suncevrti oko zemlje. Nesto od toga mogu potvrditi paranoidno-sizofrencina iskustva, a nesto poput sunca oko zemlje i oci sviju nas.

Ali to sto je tebi bitno ne znaci da je tocno i ima ikakvog smisla.
Točno je meni i meni ima smisla - i to je jedino što je meni važno! Ne postoji objektivna istina! (osim za totalne morone koji nemaju dovoljno inteligencije za donošenje ikakvih zaključaka niti sposobnosti razvoja kognitivnih, emocionalnih ili psihičkih procesa).

Uopće me nije briga što pritom znanost kaže (negdje može osporavati a negdje potvrđivati) - čitaj SVE što pišem s razumijevanjem, ne samo odabrane dijelove.

Znanost je svašta tvrdila tijekom stoljeća i svaki put je bila 100% sigurna u svoje "dokaze" (baš kao i ti) i ismijavala one koji su nešto osporavali ili imali drugačije mišljenje, da bi se kasnije ipak morala posipati pepelom kad se vidjelo da griješi.

Ne zaboravi da je znanstveni zaključak, odnosno "dokaz" samo onoliko valjan koliko su valjane premise iz kojih se izvlači, a one pak ovise o čitavom nizu stvari, od kojih je i jedan faktor stupanj ljudske svijesti i inteligencije.

Osim što trolaš temu, agresivan si i negativan i pljuješ po svemu što ne razumiješ i što se razlikuje od tvog stava ... dakle, ništa se kod tebe nije promijenilo zadnjih godina, nisi ništa naučio ... ostao si tamo gdje si i bio.

Ma zapravo nisi - jer, Zemlja se okreće.


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