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Nepročitano 11-01-19, 13:11   #191
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Agape jest jedina prava ljubav. Nikakve filozofije tu nema. Činjenica što je ti ne prihvaćaš nema nikakvog utjecaja na njezinu vjerodostojnost.

To samo znači da je nikad nisi doživio pa je ne razumiješ, ne možeš pojmiti i zato je odbacuješ.

Ovo o čemu ti pišeš je zaljubljenost (Romeo i Julija i sl.), a to je veeeliika razlika.

BTW, ne znam kakve veze s ičim ima tvoja struka?! Mogu i inžinjer i smetlar i matematičar i poeta i bauštelac i teorijski fizičar jednako razumjeti ili ne razumjeti pojam ljubavi.

Ali bi, kao recimo znanstvenik, trebao znati da ne možeš poricati postojanje nečeg što nisi uopće ispitao niti možeš uspoređivati pojave ako jednu uopće ne poznaješ. Kakva bi to bila znanstvena metoda?

A i nisi mi odgovorio na pitanje.
Smatras da MORAMO prihvatiti sve sto razumemo -pojmimo? Zar nemamo pravo odabira? Naravno nesto sto ne razumemo mozemo odbaciti, ali nemamo moc odabira. To mozemo samo ako nesto razumemo. Tada biramo prihvatanje ili odbacivanje. Ne mozemo prihvatiti nerazumljivo. Upravo zbog prihvatanja mnogih da "bezuslovno vole "a to nikako ne pokazuju, vec samo proklamuju ja ne zastupam takvu vid ljubavi. Naravno da svako ima svoj stav. Ali ga ne sme nametati drugima. Ne mislim na tebe vec generalno. Pogotovu u postkomunistickim sredinama gde to postane trend a ne sustinska potreba.
zaljubljenost i ljubav... predivno. Nemam vremena. Treba vise.
A sto se nauke tice ja zastupam kauzalitet. Sve ima svoje razloge -uzroke i posledice. Razumemo li ih, to je drugo. Nista ne moze nestati i postati ako nema promene odnosno uzroka. Mozemo nekoga voleti pa ga ne voleti. Uzro i su raznovrsni ali uvek postoje. Uvek! Da li su nam vidlji i ili razumljivi druga je tema.
Ta metoda je experiment sa nepoznatim rezultatom. Bezbroj otkrica je dobijeno na taj nacin. Maltene slucajno. Ali i bezbroj gresaka... pa i tragicnih.


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Smatras da MORAMO prihvatiti sve sto razumemo -pojmimo? Zar nemamo pravo odabira?
Zašto bismo morali prihvatiti sve što razumijemo? Gdje sam to napisala?
Napisala sam da ne možemo suditi o nečemu što nismo iskusili ili što ne razumijemo.

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Naravno nesto sto ne razumemo mozemo odbaciti, ali nemamo moc odabira. To mozemo samo ako nesto razumemo. Tada biramo prihvatanje ili odbacivanje. Ne mozemo prihvatiti nerazumljivo. Upravo zbog prihvatanja mnogih da "bezuslovno vole "a to nikako ne pokazuju, vec samo proklamuju ja ne zastupam takvu vid ljubavi. Naravno da svako ima svoj stav. Ali ga ne sme nametati drugima. Ne mislim na tebe vec generalno. Pogotovu u postkomunistickim sredinama gde to postane trend a ne sustinska potreba.
Svakakvih ljudi ima, na to ne treba trošiti suviše riječi.

Isto tako ima i onih koji su spoznali bezuvjetnu ljubav i koji s tim u skladu žive. I nitko nema pravo tome se izrugivati niti omalovažavati.


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Zašto bismo morali prihvatiti sve što razumijemo? Gdje sam to napisala?
Napisala sam da ne možemo suditi o nečemu što nismo iskusili ili što ne razumijemo.



Svakakvih ljudi ima, na to ne treba trošiti suviše riječi.

Isto tako ima i onih koji su spoznali bezuvjetnu ljubav i koji s tim u skladu žive. I nitko nema pravo tome se izrugivati niti omalovažavati.
Ja nisam rekai da se izrugujem. Ali ne podrzavam.
Mada nemamo pravo nikome govoriti da li sme ili ne sme... svako ima pravo na iznosenje stava pa i omalovazavanja bez obzira dopada li nam se ili ne, osim ako ne dopustamo samo stavive koji nas podrzavaju. To je licemerje.
Toliko je poziti nih ideja koje nisu prosle sud vremena ili su prihvacene tek kasnije. Na primer sada je trend nesto voleti a sutra ce biti trend to ne voleti.
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Ja nisam rekai da se izrugujem. Ali ne podrzavam.
Ne podržavaš ljubav?

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Mada nemamo pravo nikome govoriti da li sme ili ne sme... svako ima pravo na iznosenje stava pa i omalovazavanja bez obzira dopada li nam se ili ne, osim ako ne dopustamo samo stavive koji nas podrzavaju. To je licemerje.
Jasno. Svatko ima pravo da se kreće i da bude kreten, rekao bi jedan moj stari prijatelj.

No, to ujedno i sve govori o toj osobi, to ne smijemo zaboraviti.

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Toliko je pozitivnih ideja koje nisu prosle sud vremena ili su prihvacene tek kasnije. Na primer sada je trend nesto voleti a sutra ce biti trend to ne voleti.
to je zivot
Iskreno - Živo mi se fućka za sud vremena. Tko je taj koji sudi??? Vrijeme? Pa ne, nego čovjek. A čovjek sudi sukladno svojem stanju svijesti, svojoj inteligenciji, svojoj sposobnosti razumijevanja, logičnog zaključivanja, sukladno svojem stupnju znanja i obrazovanja itd.

Meni je bitno ono što je meni bitno i što mi se pokazuje dobro. Dobro ne samo za mene, nego i za druge, za prirodu, planet, ljude ... To mi je jedini kriterij koji će položiti test vremena. A ljubav je jedna od njih. Preživjela je od početka stvaranja svijeta do danas.


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