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Nepročitano 31-10-10, 19:26   #121
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Za mene prihvaćanje stvari kakve trenutno jesu ne znači prihvaćanje nesretne sudbe ili rezignaciju, već samo konstataciju da su trenutno stvari onakve kakve jesu. Mislim da tada čovjek može i da čak ima već moć da poduzme nešto i promjeni--ovisno o situaciji nekada je to samo promjena ''u glavi'', tj.stava/uvjerenja a nekad konkretni koraci. Ako se nalazimo u ''teškoj'' situaciji ne moramo osjećati zadovoljstvo ali mislim da čovjek može osjetiti mir (bar sam ja u takvoj situaciji bila). Stvaranje iluzije podnošljivih uvjeta bi ga možda zapravo držala na mjestu (ne uvijek naravno).
npr. kada se ''mučimo'' s nečime, ulažemo energiju, trud, želimo da su stvari drugačije ..ogromnu energiju ulažemo u opiranje ..a onda nam u jednom trenutku bude dosta, kažemo ''kvragu sve..'' i kao da nam netko skine teret s leđa, i zapravo tek onda napravimo pomak.
Sve mi se čini da se vrtimo u krug.

Termin "nesretna sudba" sam upotrijebio a pri tome mislio na vrlo teške životne prilike Frankl-a i njegovih supatnika u konc.logorima (kako je to opisano u knjizi "Zašto se niste ubili").

Frankl u jednom trenutku kaže da je shvatio da je prizivanje misli na voljenu suprugu i zamišljanje ponovog budućeg zajedničkog susreta bilo nešto što mu je pomoglo da izdrži težak rad u logoru pri kojem su svakodnevno umirali mnogi oko njega.
Kaže da je svjestan da se mora držati te ideje u glavi i da čak nije niti bitno dal je supruga još živa ili nije jer sada je ideja bitna.

Pokušaj primjetiti taj princip spasonosne ideje (iluzije) u mnogim različitim životnim pričama.

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A kada smo u stvarnoj, neminovnoj opasnosti mislim da se ponašamo kao i životinje....npr.u situaciji da auto krene na nekoga ili vas netko napadne .
Zašto tako usko gledaš?
Jedno je kada je situacija takva da niti ne stigneš ništa drugo nego spontano, refleksno reagirat a drugo je kada situacija ima svoju priču koja se polagano razvija i prisiljava te da stalno misliš na nju.

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Ja tu tvrdnju ne shvaćam u smislu da moramo postojati u nekom neutralnom stanju,u kojem nemamo nikakvih želja. stvari same po sebi nisu pozitivne ili negativne, mi im pripisujemo pozitivno ili negativno značenje.
Opet se vrtimo u krug.
Ti bi i babe i žabe

Naravno da mi pripisujemo pozitivno ili negativno značenje ali postoje razlozi zašto to radimo. Ne radimo to samo iz čiste dosade nego zato što su nas milijuni godina učenja na greškama oblikovali onakvima kakvi smo danas i kakve su nam neke od zajedničkih sklonosti.


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U krajnjoj liniji, različite stvari za različite ljude, svatko otkrije dio 'slagalice, pa je uvijek zanimljivo vidjeti koji dio imaju drugi

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no rijec u ovoj temi nije o tome, vec o tome kako covjek treba shvatiti kako nije iskustvo nego promatrac iskustva..
to ne znaci da gubi sposobnost razmisljanja i reagiranja tj. uobicajnog svakodnevnog zivota.. vec samo da ne projicira svoju energiju u njih..

tj shvati da je ego alat svijesti, skup iskustava, ali ne i ono tko jesi..
uistinu jesi samo sada i tom sebi mora se biti najvjerniji inace stupamo u pakao/laz/karmu tj nase vibratorno odstupanje od istine/sadasnjosti i time preuzimanje ogranicenog oblika svijesnosti..


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cameleon.. sve to tvoje itekako stoji i 100% si u pravu

no rijec u ovoj temi nije o tome, vec o tome kako covjek treba shvatiti kako nije iskustvo nego promatrac iskustva..
to ne znaci da gubi sposobnost razmisljanja i reagiranja tj. uobicajnog svakodnevnog zivota.. vec samo da ne projicira svoju energiju u njih..

tj shvati da je ego alat svijesti, skup iskustava, ali ne i ono tko jesi..
uistinu jesi samo sada i tom sebi mora se biti najvjerniji inace stupamo u pakao/laz/karmu tj nase vibratorno odstupanje od istine/sadasnjosti i time preuzimanje ogranicenog oblika svijesnosti..
Kada pročita knjigu bit će mu mnogo jasnije o čemu je riječ.


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cameleon.. sve to tvoje itekako stoji i 100% si u pravu

no rijec u ovoj temi nije o tome, vec o tome kako covjek treba shvatiti kako nije iskustvo nego promatrac iskustva..
to ne znaci da gubi sposobnost razmisljanja i reagiranja tj. uobicajnog svakodnevnog zivota.. vec samo da ne projicira svoju energiju u njih..

tj shvati da je ego alat svijesti, skup iskustava, ali ne i ono tko jesi..
uistinu jesi samo sada i tom sebi mora se biti najvjerniji inace stupamo u pakao/laz/karmu tj nase vibratorno odstupanje od istine/sadasnjosti i time preuzimanje ogranicenog oblika svijesnosti..
Dolazak do ove točke ima svoj put. "Moć sadašnjeg trenutka" je previše široka tema da bi mogao lako zaključiti što u nju ne spada.

Ako sad krenemo sa "egom", mogli bi daleko otići pa na kraju reći "ali nije to tema ovog topica"





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Dolazak do ove točke ima svoj put. "Moć sadašnjeg trenutka" je previše široka tema da bi mogao lako zaključiti što u nju ne spada.

Ako sad krenemo sa "egom", mogli bi daleko otići pa na kraju reći "ali nije to tema ovog topica"
Kako nije, ego je sastavni dio knjige "moć sadašnjeg trenutka"
I vjerujem da nitko na takav jednostavni način nije objasnio značenje i pojam "ega" kao Tolle u toj knjizi!


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Kada pročita knjigu bit će mu mnogo jasnije o čemu je riječ.
Pročitat ću ju kao što sam pročitao i ostale na tu temu.
Priznajem, imam laganu averziju prema "novim otkrićima" starih stvari ali kad ju pročitam barem ću znati da sam se potrudio.





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Kako nije, ego je sastavni dio knjige "moć sadašnjeg trenutka"
I vjerujem da nitko na takav jednostavni način nije objasnio značenje i pojam "ega" kao Tolle u toj knjizi!
Nitko do slijedećeg Tolle-a u tvom životu.





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ukratko i radi toga malo nezgrapno..

drzati svoj energetski fokus tu, u sada jer se tu desava manifestacija, i ne dopustit da energija curi u "jucer ili sutra" iako su i oni naravno dio sadasnjice..


ovo je metaforicki receno.. odnosi se na vise stvari.. ne samo vrijeme..


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ukratko i radi toga malo nezgrapno..

drzati svoj energetski fokus tu, u sada jer se tu desava manifestacija, i ne dopustit da energija curi u "jucer ili sutra" iako su i oni naravno dio sadasnjice..


ovo je metaforicki receno.. odnosi se na vise stvari.. ne samo vrijeme..

Šta bi bilo kad bi bilo!?

Cijeli ljudski svijet od postanka pa do danas je sagrađen na odnosu prošlog i budućeg.
Sada bi trebalo barem polovica toga vremena usvajajući drugačiji stav, primjenjivajući ga na cijeli sustav da bi se na kraju spoznalo ovo na čemu smo danas.





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