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Krishnamurti Jiddu (1895-1986) suvremeni je indijski mislilac čija je misao izvršila veliki utjecaj na
europska duhovna kretanja izmedu dva rata. Indijskoj je misli vratio njeno istinsko značenje, koje je
pomućeno pomodnim sektama i neprekidnim pristizanjem gurua. Krishnamurti - mislilac slobode - u
svojim djelima iznosi jasne uvide o bitnim problemima čovjeka, o mogućnosti unutrašnje revolucije i
njenoj nužnosti ukoliko čovjek hoće egzistirati kao čovjek.

Krishnamurti Jiddu

Unutrašnja revolucija

'Promjena u društvu je od sekundarnog značaja; ona će se dogoditi prirodno, neizbježno, kada ti kao
ljudsko biće izvedeš tu promjenu u sebi.'

...

Pitam se kako vidite smrt; ne teoretski, već što ona zbiljski za vas znači - ne kao nešto što će
neizbježno doći kao ishod nesreće, bolesti ili starosti. To se dogada svakome: starost i težnje koje
prate starost, da se pokuša biti mlad. Sve same teorije, sve nada, što znači da ste u očaju. Bivajući
očajni, okrećete se nečemu što će vam dati nadu. Jeste li se ikada zagledali u svoj očaj da biste vidjeli
zašto postoji? Postoji zato jer se usporedujete s nekim drugim, jer želite zadovoljiti, postati, biti, postići.

Jedna od čudnih stvari u životu je naša uvjetovanost glagolom 'biti'. Jer u njemu je prisutna prošlost,
sadašnjost i budućnost. Svo religijsko uvjetovanje se temelji na glagolu 'biti'. Na njemu se temelji svaki
raj i pakao, sva vjerovanja, svi spasitelji, sva pretjerivanja. Može li ljudsko biće živjeti bez tog glagola?
Što znači živjeti i nemati prošlosti, nemati budućnosti. To ne znači 'življenje u sadašnjosti' - vi ne znate
što znači živjeti u sadašnjosti. Da biste u potpunosti živjeli u sadašnjosti, vi morate znati što je priroda i
struktura prošlosti - koja ste vi sami. Vi morate sebe poznavati toliko potpuno, da ne postoji skriveni
ugao; to 'sebe' je prošlost, i to sebstvo raste na tom glagolu 'biti', postati, postići, zapamtiti. Pronadite
što znači živjeti bez tog glagola psihološki, iznutra.

Što smrt znači? Zašto je se tako strahovito plašimo? Po čitavoj Aziji ljudi vjeruju u reinkaranciju; u njoj
postoji velika nada - ne znam zašto - i ljudi nastavljaju pričati i pisati o tome. Kada pogledate tu stvar
koja će se inkarnirati, što je ona? - sva prošlost, sva vaša bijeda, sva vaša zbrka, sve ono što ste vi
sada? I mislite da je to 'vi' (vi ovdje koristite riječ 'duša') nešto postojano. Ima li išta u životu što je
postojano? Vi biste željeli imati nešto postojano i tako pomičete smrt daleko od sebe, nikada ne
gledate u nju, jer ste uplašeni. Tada imate 'vremena' - vremena izmedu onoga što jest i onoga što će
se neizbježno dogoditi.

Ili projicirate vaš život u sutrašnjicu i nastavljate kakvi ste sada, nadajući se da će nastupiti nekakvo
uskrsnuće, inkarnacija, ili umirete svakoga dana. Umrite svakoga dana samome sebi, vašoj bijedi,
vašoj patnji; otklonite taj teret svakoga dana da vam um može biti svjež, mlad i nevin. Riječ 'nevinost'
znači 'ne moći biti povrijeden'. Imati um koji ne može biti povrijeden ne znači da je on izgradio veliki
otpor - baš suprotno, takav um umire za sve što je znao, a u čemu je bilo sukoba, užitka i boli. Tek
tada um je nevin; što znači da može voljeti. Ne možete voljeti sa sjećanjem. Ljubav nije stvar
pamćenja, vremena.

Tako ljubav, smrt i življenje nisu odvojeni već potpuna cjelina, i u njoj je razumnost. Razumnost nije
moguća kada postoji mržnja, ljutnja, ljubomora, kada postoji ovisnost koja rada strah. Gdje je
razumnost, život postaje svet; postoji velika radost i možete činiti što hoćete; ono što tada učinite je
krijeposno, istinito.

Mi ne znamo sve to - mi znamo samo našu bijedu - i ne znajući, pokušavamo pobjeći. Kada barem ne
bismo bježali, već mogli zbiljski promatrati, nikada ne uzmicati čak ni djelić od onoga 'što jest'
imenujući to, osudujući ili sudeći o tome - već mogli naprosto gledati to. Da biste nešto promatrali,
potrebna je briga - briga znači suosjećanje. Život koji je življen tako veličanstveno i potpuno može tada
zaći u nešto o čemu ćemo razgovarati sutra, a to je meditacija. Bez polaganja takvog temelja,
meditacija je samohipnoza. Postavljanje tog temelja znači da ste razumjeli ovaj izuzetan život, pa imate
um u kojemu nema sukoba i vodite život suosjećanja, ljepote i stoga reda. Ne reda nekog plana, već
reda koji nastupa kada razumijete što nered jest - a to je vaš život. Vaš život jest u neredu. Nered je
proturječje, sukob suprotnosti. Kada shvatite taj nered u vama, tada iz njega proizlazi red - red koji je
precizan, matematički, u kojemu nema iskrivljavanja. Sve to zahtijeva jedan meditativan um, um koji je
sposoban gledati u tišini.


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JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI

,,Vjera je individualni čin.
Organizirana vjera ima
tendenciju odumiranja,
kristaliziranja, teži postati
praznovjerje, sekta, religija
radi dogmatskog nadmetanja
s drugima.
Istina je zemlja bez puteva.''
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Iako možda osećate da je vaš ego
nešto veliko, sveobuhvatno,
uvidećete da je iluzija; on je praznina,
mehur koji će ubrzo pući.
(Bilten Zvezde 1932.)

Umetnost življenja je dovesti ovaj „ja“ proces do kraja.
(Njujork 1936.)


Većina ljudskih bića je sebična. Oni nisu svesni svoje sebičnosti; to je način na koji žive. A ako je neko i svestan da je sebičan, on to vrlo brižno skriva i prilagođava se šablonu društva koje je po svojoj suštini sebično. Sebičan um je vrlo lukav. On je ponekad brutalno i otvoreno sebičan, a ponekad uzima i finije forme.

Ako ste političar, vaša sebičnost zahteva moć, status i popularnost; ona se poistovećuje sa idejom, misijom i svim onim što je za opšte dobro.
Ako ste tiranin, ona se ispoljava u surovoj vlasti.
Ako ste skloni religiji ona uzima oblik obožavanja, devocije, pripadnosti nekom verovanju, nekoj dogmi.
Ona se takođe izražava i u porodici; otac se rukovodi sebičnošću, a to isto radi i majka.
Slava, napredak, privlačnost stvaraju plodno tlo za ovaj skriveni i niski pokret ega.
U hijerarhijskoj strukturi sveštenstva, bez obzira koliko izjavljivali da vole Boga, svako od njih je u vlasti svog samo-kreiranog simbola.
Vodeći ljudi u industriji i najnevažniji službenici poseduju ovu ekspandirajuću i omamljujuću pohlepnost ega.
Monah koji se odrekao ovog sveta i koji je zatvoren u nekom manastiru ili je pak lutalica, takođe nije slobodan od ovog beskrajno ponavljajućeg pokreta ega.
Ti ljudi mogu menjati imena, oblačiti svakovrsnu odeću ili se zaricati na celibat ili ćutnju, ali u njima i dalje gori neki ideal neki lik, neki simbol.
Isto važi i za naučnike, filozofe, profesore na univerzitetu.
Dobročinitelji, sveci i gurui, ljudi i žene koji bez prestanka rade za siromašne - svi oni pokušavaju da se izgube u svom radu, ali i rad je deo toga.
Oni su samo preneli svoj egoizam na svoja dela. To počinje u detinjstvu i nastavlja se i u starosti.
Uobraženi naučnik, uvežbani skromni lider, potčinjena žena i dominantan muž, svi oni boluju od ove bolesti Ego se poistovećuje sa državom, sa bezbrojnim grupama, idejama i uzrocima, ali ipak ostaje ono što je bio i na početku.
Ljudska bića su pokušala da upražnjavaju razne vežbe, metode i meditacije kako bi se oslobodila ovog centra koji uzrokuje toliku patnju i konfuziju, ali on je kao senka, ne da se nikad uhvatiti. On je uvek tu, a izmiče vam kroz prste, kroz vaš um. Ponekad ojačava ili slabi u skladu sa okolnostima.
Taman pomislite da ste ga uhvatili, a on se pojavi na nekom drugom mestu.

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Namaste Krisnamurtiju i Tolleu ja ih sacitala i sve mi nesto jos fali, koda se vrtim u krug, repetitiv sadrzaj..Onda nadem kod dragog Echkarta kako on citira neku drevnu knjigu iz Indije zvanu Bhagavad Gita, potrazim i nju i gle stvarno ta pijesma(Gita)zasijenila sama sve njene citatore!
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Namaste Krisnamurtiju i Tolleu ja ih sacitala i sve mi nesto jos fali, koda se vrtim u krug, repetitiv sadrzaj..Onda nadem kod dragog Echkarta kako on citira neku drevnu knjigu iz Indije zvanu Bhagavad Gita, potrazim i nju i gle stvarno ta pijesma(Gita)zasijenila sama sve njene citatore!

ako tebi tako dobro, što bih se ja bunio...

nemam niš protiv gite, već šablonskih tumačenja iste od strane raznih guru-a...još kad sve to iskoriste kako bi organizirali neku svoju sljedbu, put...uh...

onda ovakvi likovi poput Krishnamurtija i Tolle-a dođu ko melem za dušu...osvježavaju učmale religije i tumačenja...


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