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Nepročitano 08-06-11, 18:27   #31
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Ovaj sada čemerni osjećaj nema nikakvo uputstvo sa sobom, kao da se sila koja mi je do sada na neki način bila blagonaklona okrenula od mene.
Znam da smo svi sami, svak je sam za sebe, međutim to je svima nama samo trivijalna fraza - real filing toga je bitno drugačiji.

I nema tu putovanja, mudrosti, jinna i zanimljivih razgovora, samo osjećaj razočaranja sadašnjim momentom.
Vidiš da te nisam za džabe sanjala Nisu možda isti razlozi, ali osjećaj jeste veoma sličan.
Sila od koje si osjećala zaštitu je sigurno još sa tobom, samo ti gledaš na stvari iz drugog ugla, ili ti nešto onemogućava jasan pogled i tebe samu. Sadašnji momenat je podložan promjeni, a kakva će promjena biti zavisi od tebe.
Ja se mirim sa onim što mi je u rukama trenutno. Nije uvijek lako reći - evo, to je to što si sebi ostavila na raspolaganju i napravi nešto od toga sada - ali je to neophodno, i pored saznanja da sam mogla imati puno potrebnijih stvari koje sam nepromišljeno odbacila.
Stvari su takve kakve su, i sam pokret ka rješenju vraća u ruke sve ono odbačeno, koje je u stvari uvijek tu, samo zamtnuto negdje u zbrci haosa. Teške lekcije dolaze nam onda kada smo spremni iz njih dobiti pouku. Nema kraja, nema pauze, samo beskraj mogućnosti i mi koji njima naizgled nespretno baratamo.

Ili, zaboravi sve to i provedi vrijeme sama (pri tom ne mislim na odlazak u kupovinu cipela ). Sama sa sobom opleti partiju brbljanja, isplači se, ismiji se i najvažnije rastereti se. Vidjećeš da kad si sama sa sobom, uopšte i nikad nisi sama.


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Ovaj sada čemerni osjećaj nema nikakvo uputstvo sa sobom, kao da se sila koja mi je do sada na neki način bila blagonaklona okrenula od mene.
Ima, ima uputstvo , samo sto ti se ne svidja.
Sada si ti na redu da si pomognes, jer si spremna na to.


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lucy sorry sto te gnjavim/o.. najlakse je pametovat kad se drugome desava "tamna noc duse"..

al eto kad smo vec navalili sa moojiem.. mislim da bi ova poruka odlicno odgovarala na tvoju trenutnu situaciju pa te molim za strpljenje u otvorenost srca da ju cujes

http://www.youtube.com/user/Moojiji#p/u/47/G3xCmSNb_sc


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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lucy sorry sto te gnjavim/o.. najlakse je pametovat kad se drugome desava "tamna noc duse"..

al eto kad smo vec navalili sa moojiem.. mislim da bi ova poruka odlicno odgovarala na tvoju trenutnu situaciju pa te molim za strpljenje u otvorenost srca da ju cujes

http://www.youtube.com/user/Moojiji#p/u/47/G3xCmSNb_sc
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ma meni je smijesna cijela ta spika oko gurua iskreno..
kao neki novi pomodni lov na vjestice.. toliko se halabuci da gurui "upropastavaju i varaju ljude" budite oprezni huhu.. cuvajte se babagurua..

mislim dosta je da malo pogledamo sta nam djeca svaki dan gledaju na tvu i uce u skoli kako bi vidjeli koliko je ta buka u biti uprogramirana i licemjerna..
ljudi ko ljudi.. gurui, pjevaci, profesori il prodavaci u ducanu.. osobno neznam nikoga koga je upropastio neki guru,, al znam ljude koji su ozbiljno naj.. radi fanaticnosti za pjevacima, glumcima, ideologijama koje im prodaje sustav itd..


osobno nemam nekog specificnog gurua tako da ne branim nikoga.. zapravo mozda bolje reci sve mi je guru.. od lista travke, sebe samog, svakog na ovom forumu do neznam cega.. oshoa ili moojia.. ako mi odzvanja u srcu to je to.. a hvala bogu sve vise toga mi odzvanja..


ps lik super je ovo za otpor


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ma meni je smijesna cijela ta spika oko gurua iskreno..
kao neki novi pomodni lov na vjestice.. toliko se halabuci da gurui "upropastavaju i varaju ljude" budite oprezni huhu.. cuvajte se babagurua..

mislim dosta je da malo pogledamo sta nam djeca svaki dan gledaju na tvu i uce u skoli kako bi vidjeli koliko je ta buka u biti uprogramirana i licemjerna..
ljudi ko ljudi.. gurui, pjevaci, profesori il prodavaci u ducanu.. osobno neznam nikoga koga je upropastio neki guru,, al znam ljude koji su ozbiljno naj.. radi fanaticnosti za pjevacima, glumcima, ideologijama koje im prodaje sustav itd..


osobno nemam nekog specificnog gurua tako da ne branim nikoga.. zapravo mozda bolje reci sve mi je guru.. od lista travke, sebe samog, svakog na ovom forumu do neznam cega.. oshoa ili moojia.. ako mi odzvanja u srcu to je to.. a hvala bogu sve vise toga mi odzvanja..


ps lik super je ovo za otpor
Ma naravno nemam ništa protiv gurua.

Bitno je samo ostati na zemlji i ne slijediti nikoga bezuvjetno ili kako je Buda rekao:

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
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znaci da ne sljedimo nikog bezuvjetno osim onoga sto buda kaze?
to cemo jos podebljat


shalam se :)


al da.. imam neki osjecaj da je taj otpor prema "guruima" ili uciteljima namjerno usadjen u ljude kako bi im neke druge stvari mogle postat "guru".. dosta je pogledat stav ljudi danas iz kojih prsti ono ponosno i arogantno "sam svoj guru nemam drugih gurua osim sebe" i onda nakon te mantre zabiju lice u ekran sa malim tipkicama i "mantraju dalje"


mislim daleko od toga da treba fanaticno sljedit nekoga.. ne zagovaram to kao sto rekoh vec.. ali postoje ljudi koji zive u prasumi.. i ako ides u prasumu bilo bi dobro da imas nekog takvog kao gurua, vodica, ucitelja.. kako god to zelis nazvati..

isto tako postoje mudri ljudi koji su akumulirali zivotno iskustvo.. prozivjeli slicne stvari kao mi.. postavljali ista pitanja koja mi postavljamo.. i mogu nam pomoci svojim iskustvom, otkricima i usmjeravanjem..

cesto kazemo kako nam je sve u zivotu ucitelj i nekakva lekcija.. ne razumijem zasto onda neki koji se drze te iste izreke odbijaju ucenje od onoga sto se pred njima manifestira kao ucitelj.. nisu sigurni u sebe i svoju svijest? znaci sve je u zivotu ucitelj osim onoga sto se predstavi kao ucitelj.. od toga bjezte ko od vraga..
ili mozda sve je u zivotu "ruzicasto" osim onoga sto je ruzicasto?


osobno bih bio presretan da imam cast imati gurua/ucitelja.. ali izvornog naravno ucitelja.. koji je prvo prijatelj a onda sve drugo.. kao sto mooji kaze.. "kad se nadju pravi ucitelj i ucenik oboje nestanu.."


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Mislim da govorimo o istom, ali je greška u komunikaciji ...

Što je dobro za mene možda nije za tebe. Ja sam otvoren prema svim informacijama koje dobivam bile one od gurua bile od prosjaka na ulici, ali imam svoju slobodnu volju prihvatiti one koje su za moju dobrobit.

Slijepo slijeđenje može dovesti do okova, ovisnosti i idolpoklonstva.

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znaci da ne sljedimo nikog bezuvjetno osim onoga sto buda kaze?
to cemo jos podebljat
Ma neee, Buda kaže da ne vjerujemo čak niti onome što on kaže.

A mislim da Lik nije mislio ništa loše o guruima kao takvima ali, hm .. evo pojasniti ću primjerom.

Nekoliko puta sam se srela s divnim tehnikama koje su mi prenijeli učitelji i to je ok - jer to tako ide. No, dalje su se ti učitelji postavili kao gurui i nastojali me zarobiti na svojem nivou, u svojem svijetu, uvjeravajući me da ne mogu bez njih na put istine i zato trebam biti u tom njihovom "stadu."

Nekada se to dešava iz neznanja ali uvjerena sam da je ponekad iz itekakvog znanja. Jer, kako Mooji kaže - nobody want's you to be free.

I sad, ja sam npr. dovoljno zrela (da ne kažem stara ) i iskusna da tako nešto nanjušim, ali neki klinac koji tek kreće na svoj put može tako godinama ostati zarobljen uz tog samozvanog gurua umjesto da mu ovaj dade krila i gurne ga da poleti.

Ali jednog Moojija mi je gušt slušati i učiti od njega. Što i opet ne znači da bih ga slijedila u stopu. I on ako je pravi mi to i ne bi dozvolio.


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Evo još jedan lijepi tekst (p.s. ovo sam postao vec 2 - 3 puta na forum i uvijek uzivam čitajući):

http://www.mudremisli.com/2010/03/dz...amurti-ii-dio/

Lucy ispricavam se sto smo otišli malo offtopic.
Ali mozda tako dobiješ neke informacije koje ti pomognu ...
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