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Nepročitano 11-08-11, 17:25   #11
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Frendica koja prati tržište kapitala kaže da nije dobro nikako , čak se i najvećoj sili svijeta drma tlo, novac pokazuje sve više svoju pravu sliku .

Kako god al jednom će morati puknuti ovaj sustav robijanja od rođenja pa do groba, dal ćemo doživjet, tko zna?

Bombo bombica, buš pukla ? Buuum
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Nepročitano 11-08-11, 18:40   #13
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Za sve vas koji ste ne duhovnom putu na bilo koji način; kako gledate na novac?
Koliko vidim stavovi su različiti u duhovnim putevima. S jedne strane se govori o tome kao se čovjek treba osloboditi želja za posjedovanjem i stjecanjem, a s druge strane se priča da bogatsvo (novac) ide pod ruku sa duhovnošću jer je i novac energija i kao takav pokazivatelj duhovne razvijenosti, slobode, tj. ovladavanja energijom. Moje pitanje je; samo kakvom? (ako gledamo sa stajališta da je novac dug, da izrabljuje prirodne resurse, čini ljude robovima i egzistencijalnim ovisnicima).
To je dakle kontradiktorno, može li to biti tako?
Što vi mislite?


Zanimljiva tema.

Zar postoji netko na svijetu tko nije na "duhovnom putu"?

Ako radiš, dobivaš novac. Novac kasnije zamijenjuješ sa nečijim tuđim radom pa dobiješ kruh.

Novac je sam po sebi fiktivna vrijednost. Novčanica zapravo vrijedi nešto više od lista wc papira.

Ljudi izrabljuju prirodne resurse, čine druge ljude robovima itd.
Novac zapravo nema nikakve veze sa time.


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Mislim da ima veze, možda ne jedine i direktne, ali ima, novac je dio toga. Ja moram iznajmljivati svoj rad i vrijeme za novac da bi mogla kupiti hranu i živjeti. O tome mi ovisi egzistencija. Ne mogu jednostavno živjeti i brati, uzgajati, loviti svoju hranu jer ju mogu jedino kupiti novcem. I tako u krug.
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Mislim da ima veze, možda ne jedine i direktne, ali ima, novac je dio toga. Ja moram iznajmljivati svoj rad i vrijeme za novac da bi mogla kupiti hranu i živjeti. O tome mi ovisi egzistencija. Ne mogu jednostavno živjeti i brati, uzgajati, loviti svoju hranu jer ju mogu jedino kupiti novcem. I tako u krug.
Ali i ta hrana, uzgoj i lovina bi u robnoj razmijeni također imali fiktivnu vrijednost.
Novac je uletio najviše iz praktičnih razloga tako da ne moraš obavljat gomilu poslova da bi divlju svinju u dijelovima zamijenila za različite stvari koje su ti potrebne.


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Potpuno te kužimo, samo što s tim?

Razmišljam ovako: to što je sam koncept prljav i stoga sredstvo (novac) također, ne može nagrditi mene kao osobu jer nisam odgovorna za tuđa djela. Mogu samo biti odgovorna za svoje namjere i djela, a ona su čista.

No mogu razmišljati i ovako: ako prihvaćam šutke nešto za što znam da nije dobro i da na sebi ima trag krvi, onda i ja sudjelujem u tome, odnosno barem podržavam status quo?

Da, svakako. Možemo i tako gledati.

Ako se svi dogovorimo - pridružit ću se u rušenju monetarnog sustava kao takvog odmah!

Yes! Ovo prvo, mislim da bi bila prilagodba na realnost.

Ovo drugo je također istina, no tu ne možemo još uvijek ništa dok se ne stvori kritična masa ljudi sa promjenjenom svijesti. To sigurno neće biti još za naših života.

Dakle, ostaje nam ovo prvo. Al to tako nije fer. I čini čovjeka nemoćnim i ljutim (barem mene pomalo, kad razmišljam o tome).

I ja bih odmah glasala za rušenje sustava kao takvog! Al potrebno je puno više od glasanja...


Ono što nadalje želim reći je da iz svih gore navedenih diskusija mislim da nijedan učitelj ne bi smio uvjetovati pružanje svog znanja, iscjeljivanja i duhovnog vodstva novcem.

Sad će reći neki zašto ne, kad i oni trebaju od nečeg živjeti na ovom svijetu. Pa ako bi itko na ovom svijetu trebao moći i znati živjeti zdravo, sretno, ispunjeno i duhovno onda su to upravo oni i trebali bi sve ljude izvući na taj put, a ne fantazirati gotovo bezobrazno kako je i novac energija i trebamo ga znati cijeniti, primati i davati! Ili ja imam prevelika očekivanja?
Kako meni može jedan učitelj/majstor reikija reći da će me inicirati, iscjeliti itd. za 1200kn a ja nezaposlena s malim djetetom npr.?
Mogu samo zaboravit na to jer opet, eto, novci su u pitanju...
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Ali i ta hrana, uzgoj i lovina bi u robnoj razmijeni također imali fiktivnu vrijednost.
Novac je uletio najviše iz praktičnih razloga tako da ne moraš obavljat gomilu poslova da bi divlju svinju u dijelovima zamijenila za različite stvari koje su ti potrebne.
Slažem se. Uletio kao takav a postao...


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Mislim da je novac po sebi neutralan.

Tek kada ga čovjek uzme u svoje u ruke, on dobiva moralnu vrijednost ovisno o tome kako ga čovjek upotrijebi.

Ja sam pomalo rastrošna, dosta sam novaca potrošila na knjige..znam biti neumjerena...Volim i kupovati darove, volim kumovati i volim fešte...


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Tek kada ga čovjek uzme u svoje u ruke, on dobiva moralnu vrijednost ovisno o tome kako ga čovjek upotrijebi.
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