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Nepročitano 13-05-14, 07:26   #161
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Slobodu doživljavam kao lakoću življenja.

Kako vremenom sve teže zauzimam krute stavove (jasno mi je da se isti uglavnom formiraju na temelju moje vjere koja ipak nije znanje), osjećam lakoću zbog gubitka motivacije da ističem da je baš moja istina istinita jer čak ni ja ne vjerujem u nju 100 %. Pojam Slobode mi je malo presnažan da bih ga koristila, svjesna sam koliko me vlastita uvjetovanost sputava i čini ne-slobodnom.

Možda je ta lakoća samo prividna, tek mentalna kompenzacija zato što uviđam da se stavovi vremenom mijenjaju i da je nonsens vezati se njih i žustro ih braniti jer su relativni, ja je ipak osjećam i baš mi paše.

Kako vi doživljavate sam pojam slobode?
Kao ljubav, prihvaćenost, lakoću...?
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Naš najmoćniji alat je sloboda izbora koja bi trebala kontrolirati energije s kojima se susrećemo u svom postojanju...
ne morati znati,a biti zadovoljan...
Pojam Sloboda me podsića na Tarzana koji uz pomoć lijana leti šumama...
Da bi uhvatia slijedeću lijanu ,mora pustiti onu za koju se drži





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Naš najmoćniji alat je sloboda izbora koja bi trebala kontrolirati energije s kojima se susrećemo u svom postojanju...
ne morati znati,a biti zadovoljan...
Mila, predmnijevam da imam masu podsvjesnih uvjerenja koja me drže uvjetovanu i da ono što mi se čini kao sloboda izbora je jako često - čista uvjetovanost.

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Pojam Sloboda me podsića na Tarzana koji uz pomoć lijana leti šumama...
Da bi uhvatia slijedeću lijanu ,mora pustiti onu za koju se drži
Ovo boldano mi se jako sviđa.
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Mislim da je sloboda prvenstveno "state of mind" (ne znam kako bih to bolje rekla na hrvatskom).

Vrlo često čovjek sam sebi postavlja određena ograničenja i onda doživljava svijet i život kao neslobodu. A ograničenja su zapravo samo u njegovom umu.


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Onda je sloboda puno individualnija i subjektivnija nego je uopće možemo pojmiti ili opisati.

U izmijenjenim stanjima svijesti možeš iskusiti slobodu, ali kasnije shvatiš da je to stanje iluzorno, odnosno uzrokovano vanjskim utjecajem (npr. uzimanjem droge).
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Onda je sloboda puno individualnija i subjektivnija nego je uopće možemo pojmiti ili opisati.

U izmijenjenim stanjima svijesti možeš iskusiti slobodu, ali kasnije shvatiš da je to stanje iluzorno, odnosno uzrokovano vanjskim utjecajem (npr. uzimanjem droge).
Pa, i je i nije.

Možemo govoriti o tome ima li slobode ako se nalaziš u zatvoru ili logoru ... ali onda opet moramo definirati što je sloboda uopće. Jer, budimo iskreni - nismo ni mi slobodni koji nismo u zatvorima. Više imamo neku iluziju slobode, odnosno imamo slobodu kretanja ali ne i slobodu koja je zapravo imanentna i zajamčena ljudskom biću njegovim rođenjem kako je namišljena od strane Kreatora.

Čim si o nečemu ovisan (pa bila to i Elektra ili Ina), nisi slobodan.

Ali, itekako sam, svojim stavovima, svojom percepcijom, svojim mentalnim ustrojem možeš utjecati na percepciju svojeg stanja. Kako u praktičnom smislu, tako i u duhovnom i filozofskom.

Osobno sam svjesna svoje neslobode ali živim s osjećajem velike slobode, spokoja i mira jer sam tu neslobodu prihvatila kao datost i u okviru nje tražim svoju osobnu slobodu.

S druge strane, mislim da ima ljudi koji žive u zaista nemogućim uvjetima a koji imaju daleko veći osobni osjećaj slobode nego netko tko je možda fizički daleko slobodniji i neovisniji ali je mentalno zatočenik vlastitih uvjerenja.

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Nisi zakomplicirala.

Samo si ukazala na relativnost.
Možemo drobiti floskule do sutra, stanje ne-slobode vidimo već po tome što je ne znamo ni definirati. Ograničeni smo i dodatno se ograničavamo.
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Nije toliko stvar definicije. Jasno je da apsolutne slobode nema bez kaosa, sve dok se ne uzdignemo u svjesnosti barem za jednu stepenicu. Dakle, sloboda ovisi i o stupnju navezanosti na fizičko, materijalno. Slobodniji su oni koji su manje vezani ali i oni fleksibilnijeg uma, spremnih na oslobađanje od predrasuda i na učenje - odnosno, evoluciju.

Sloboda se ne može spustiti do ljudi; Ljudi se moraju uzdignuti do nje. To je blagoslov koji najprije treba zaslužiti a tek onda u njemu uživati.


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Po meni je Sloboda ukidanje svake vezanosti. Stanje čistog bivanja.

Ako je idemo stupnjevati, opet se držimo uvjetovanosti i naših okvira (mada, ne poričem da je moje spominjanje bivanja isto stvar moje vezanosti i uvjetovanosti).

Što se tiče vezanosti za fizičko i materijalno, isto tako imaš primjere vezanosti za duhovno ili virtualno... nije jedno gore ili bolje od drugog. Odnosno, ne postoji univerzalno pravilo po kojem možemo reći da je duhovnjak slobodniji od npr. prodavača.

Vezanost za koncepte ne može biti sloboda.
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Što se tiče vezanosti za fizičko i materijalno, isto tako imaš primjere vezanosti za duhovno ili virtualno... nije jedno gore ili bolje od drugog. Odnosno, ne postoji univerzalno pravilo po kojem možemo reći da je duhovnjak slobodniji od npr. prodavača.

Vezanost za koncepte ne može biti sloboda.


Naravno da ne postoji. Ovisi o razini svjesnosti duhovnjaka i prodavača. Sama klasifikacija pojedinca nam ništa ne govori o njihovom stupnju osvještenosti.


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