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Nepročitano 24-11-11, 21:51   #11
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Naše misli nisu neko drugi. Tvoja misao si ti pa ne možeš reći "ja sam zavisan od svojih misli" i slično.
Ne, dragi moj slape, misli nisu odluke, misli znaju prečesto biti razmatranje, a naše odluke od kojih mi zavisimo, zavise od naših misli i razvoja istih. Čovek retko ima jedinstveno mišljenje o svemu, a tada zavisi od svojih misli koje mogu biti korisne ili nekorisne, pa i štetne.

Moja misao nisam ja, ja sam više od misli, a one su samo jedan deo, uz karakter, inteligenciju i pamet.

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Sloboda je beskrajna kad se odlučuješ za dobro......Sloboda je ropstvo kad se odlučuješ za oslobođenje od naravnog zakona i ljubavi.

Sloboda je fluidna sve dok čovjekujemo.....

Zato i čeznemo za njom.....Jednom će biti.

Ponekad ljubim "neslobodu"......jer, tko zna što bih još spoznala o sebi......Ovako, gajim nadu da sve ovo oko mene nije posljednja riječ.......


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Moja misao nisam ja, ja sam više od misli,
Ne. Tvoja misao ima svoj sadržaj i kvalitetu a isto proizilazi iz tebe kakav trenutno kao svijest jesi, tako da ne možeš biti ni viši ni niži od svojih misli.

Tvoja svijest može biti uzburkana,preispitivačka i jednog trenutka možeš se stidjeti nekih svojih misli ali to ne znači da te misli nisi ti u svojim nestabilnostima,preispitivanjima, promjenama....

Svakako da nije samo misao bitna. Čovjek može percipirati okolinu,ljude sa svojom sviješću bez formiranja misli. Meni misli naprimjer smetaju i suvišne su,zato se znam teško i izražavati, jer sve mogu obuhvatiti sviješću kao nekom vrstom "slike" koja govori više nego tisuću riječi ili misli. U tom smislu je i meditacija na Boga i molitva Bogu sviješću bez misli daleko bolja i jasnija,
jer Bog ne prima naše misli nego osjećaje koji su nosioci misli.
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pjevam.... http://www.thesingingzone.com/s11b/s...FYEhtAoddGmTBQ


sloboda je u pjesmi......


"Ballad of Sacco and Vanzetti, Pt. 2"

(Lyrics by Joan Baez, Music by Ennio Morricone)

Father, yes, I am a prisoner
Fear not to relay my crime
The crime is loving the forsaken
Only silence is shame

And now I'll tell you what's against us
An art that's lived for centuries
Go through the years and you will find
What's blackened all of history
Against us is the law
With its immensity of strength and power
Against us is the law!
Police know how to make a man
A guilty or an innocent
Against us is the power of police!
The shameless lies that men have told
Will ever more be paid in gold
Against us is the power of the gold!
Against us is racial hatred
And the simple fact that we are poor

My father dear, I am a prisoner
Don't be ashamed to tell my crime
The crime of love and brotherhood
And only silence is shame

With me I have my love, my innocence,
The workers, and the poor
For all of this I'm safe and strong
And hope is mine
Rebellion, revolution don't need dollars
They need this instead
Imagination, suffering, light and love
And care for every human being
You never steal, you never kill
You are a part of strength and life
The revolution goes from man to man
And heart to heart
And I sense when I look at the stars
That we are children of life
Death is small


TRAŽIM LJUDE, ŠTO VIŠE LJUDI,
KOJI IMAJU NEOGRANIČENU SPOSOBNOST UVJERENJA
DA NE POSTOJI NEŠTO ŠTO JE NEMOGUĆE UČINITI
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Ne. Tvoja misao ima svoj sadržaj i kvalitetu a isto proizilazi iz tebe kakav trenutno kao svijest jesi, tako da ne možeš biti ni viši ni niži od svojih misli.

Tvoja svijest može biti uzburkana,preispitivačka i jednog trenutka možeš se stidjeti nekih svojih misli ali to ne znači da te misli nisi ti u svojim nestabilnostima,preispitivanjima, promjenama....

Svakako da nije samo misao bitna. Čovjek može percipirati okolinu,ljude sa svojom sviješću bez formiranja misli. Meni misli naprimjer smetaju i suvišne su,zato se znam teško i izražavati, jer sve mogu obuhvatiti sviješću kao nekom vrstom "slike" koja govori više nego tisuću riječi ili misli. U tom smislu je i meditacija na Boga i molitva Bogu sviješću bez misli daleko bolja i jasnija,
jer Bog ne prima naše misli nego osjećaje koji su nosioci misli.
hahha, vidim ja da naftali i ti idete sa filozofske strane... ja sam više sa one strane psihologije... mogu i ja da filozofiram, ali nekako samo želim onda još više.. i više..

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hahha, vidim ja da naftali i ti idete sa filozofske strane... ja sam više sa one strane psihologije... mogu i ja da filozofiram, ali nekako samo želim onda još više.. i više..


Filozofija i psihologija su dvije sestre blizankinje !

U prijevodu zajedno bi značilo mudrost o duši !
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Ne. Tvoja misao ima svoj sadržaj i kvalitetu a isto proizilazi iz tebe kakav trenutno kao svijest jesi, tako da ne možeš biti ni viši ni niži od svojih misli.

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Svakako da nije samo misao bitna. Čovjek može percipirati okolinu,ljude sa svojom sviješću bez formiranja misli. Meni misli naprimjer smetaju i suvišne su,zato se znam teško i izražavati, jer sve mogu obuhvatiti sviješću kao nekom vrstom "slike" koja govori više nego tisuću riječi ili misli. U tom smislu je i meditacija na Boga i molitva Bogu sviješću bez misli daleko bolja i jasnija,
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nekad sam se slagao ovo za zelje i potrebe.. ali sada.. po meni nemaju previse veze sa slobodom..

prije bih rekao sto je vise identifikacije to je manje slobode.. jer uz otvorenu neidentificiranu svijest nema ogranicenja nasoj slobodi..


dakle koliko svijesti toliko i slobode..

srecom to ovisi samo o nama.. posto nije pitanje vanjstine, uma, tijela ili okolnosti opcenito.. vec same energije zivota..

otvorenost.. nesputanost.. nekacenje.. obitavanje u najsuptilnijoj formi.. to je za mene sloboda..
naravno ne odnosi se to na ovaj "opipljivi" dio price.. nego jasno opazanje tog najsuptilnijeg koje je bez obzira na opipljivo uvjek slobodno i nesputano..

bleh.. bolje prestat pricat..
jer sto se vise o slobodi pokusa reci to se manje o njoj govori.. :))


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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nekad sam se slagao ovo za zelje i potrebe.. ali sada.. po meni nemaju previse veze sa slobodom..

prije bih rekao sto je vise identifikacije to je manje slobode.. jer uz otvorenu neidentificiranu svijest nema ogranicenja nasoj slobodi..


dakle koliko svijesti toliko i slobode..

srecom to ovisi samo o nama.. posto nije pitanje vanjstine, uma, tijela ili okolnosti opcenito.. vec same energije zivota..

otvorenost.. nesputanost.. nekacenje.. obitavanje u najsuptilnijoj formi.. to je za mene sloboda..
naravno ne odnosi se to na ovaj "opipljivi" dio price.. nego jasno opazanje tog najsuptilnijeg koje je bez obzira na opipljivo uvjek slobodno i nesputano..

bleh.. bolje prestat pricat..
jer sto se vise o slobodi pokusa reci to se manje o njoj govori.. :))
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