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Nepročitano 13-10-11, 10:33   #21
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Situation Number one
Its the one that's just begun
But evidently its too late
Situation Number two
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Situation Number four
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Eh, žrtvovanje, i žrtva je specifična tema. Svako ko se svesno žrtvuje, za dobro voljenih, ili još drastičnije nepoznatih, je svakako dobra osoba, ali ja nikada sebe ne mogu zamisliti kao žrtvu, a da nisam svestan cilja koji ta moja ili bilo čija žrtva ima. Za žrtvovanje, mora postojati jasan cilj, u suprotnom, žrtva postaje mučenik bez ikakvog smisla... naravno ovo je jako suptilna tema, i ne treba shvatati previše lično ono što navodim, jer se lako može neko naći uvređenim, ako shvati da je njegova žrtva zapravo pogrešno postavljena računica... ili računa nije ni trebalo biti, a plaća samo žrtva......


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Eh, žrtvovanje, i žrtva je specifična tema. Svako ko se svesno žrtvuje, za dobro voljenih, ili još drastičnije nepoznatih, je svakako dobra osoba, ali ja nikada sebe ne mogu zamisliti kao žrtvu, a da nisam svestan cilja koji ta moja ili bilo čija žrtva ima. Za žrtvovanje, mora postojati jasan cilj, u suprotnom, žrtva postaje mučenik bez ikakvog smisla... naravno ovo je jako suptilna tema, i ne treba shvatati previše lično ono što navodim, jer se lako može neko naći uvređenim, ako shvati da je njegova žrtva zapravo pogrešno postavljena računica... ili računa nije ni trebalo biti, a plaća samo žrtva......

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"Situations"

Situation Number one
Its the one that's just begun
But evidently its too late
Situation Number two
Its the only chance for you
It's controlled by denizens of hate
Situation Number three
It's the one that no one sees
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Situation Number four
The one that left you wanting more
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Eh, žrtvovanje, i žrtva je specifična tema. Svako ko se svesno žrtvuje, za dobro voljenih, ili još drastičnije nepoznatih, je svakako dobra osoba, ali ja nikada sebe ne mogu zamisliti kao žrtvu, a da nisam svestan cilja koji ta moja ili bilo čija žrtva ima. Za žrtvovanje, mora postojati jasan cilj, u suprotnom, žrtva postaje mučenik bez ikakvog smisla... naravno ovo je jako suptilna tema, i ne treba shvatati previše lično ono što navodim, jer se lako može neko naći uvređenim, ako shvati da je njegova žrtva zapravo pogrešno postavljena računica... ili računa nije ni trebalo biti, a plaća samo žrtva......
Za žrtvovanje, mora postojati jasan cilj....


točno tako!!! nad ovom konstatacijom bismo se trebali zamisliti....


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KOJI IMAJU NEOGRANIČENU SPOSOBNOST UVJERENJA
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Za žrtvovanje, mora postojati jasan cilj....


točno tako!!! nad ovom konstatacijom bismo se trebali zamisliti....
Kada sam to rekao, mislio sam na svrhu koja ima jasan cilj, a da bih razjasnio, reći ću drastičan primer: ako se majka ili otac žrtvuje za svoje dete (nebitno kakva žrtva) to se smatra normalnim, ali ako se dete žrtvuje za roditelja, to već nije normalno, jer ne postoji prihvatljiv moralno-društveno jasan cilj... ko bi opravdao gladovanje deteta, samo da bi roditelji mogli sebi priuštiti letovanje na primer? u tome nema opravdanog cilja, pa makar to dete svesno želelo da pomogne roditeljima i žrtvuje se prihvativši da gladuje i ide pocepano u školu zbog ljubavi prema roditeljima. Drastičan primer, samo da bih bio konkretan.
U životu ima previše nejasnijih primera... o njima trebamo pričati.

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Cilj je jedno, a korist je drugo, osim ako neko nema za cilj korist........
Ne mislim na korist u materijalnom smislu .
Mozda se dijete iz ovoga primjera zrtvuje za roditelje da bi
dobilo , konacno priznanje i ljubav od roditelja.


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Naravno da ima, samo se lažemo da nemamo.
Kad smo dobri, mi ostvarujemo svoj dobar osjećaj, a najčešće smo dobri da to neko vidi....
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