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Nepročitano 24-10-11, 21:10   #121
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To je samo fino pakovanje drugorazredne filozofije. Ukoliko su nazireji bili istinski vegetarijanci i askete i odbacivali lažnomojsijevski krvni žrtvenički kult upitna je ideja da je sa Isusom sve to ukinuto (to bi bilo kao priča o pirovoj pobjedi) . Biće priča drugačija: lažnomojsijevski krvnožrtvenički kult bio je to što je a eseni i nazireji iz kojih su nicali i proroci su prava priča, kao što je prava priča i veliki vegetarijanac i asketa Jakov Pravednik, a bogme nije teško predpostaviti da je i NZ lažan i da je zapravo cijela Isusova porodica bila nazirejska,a bogme nešto se dimi i iza lažnog Pavla jer gle prikriveni pravi Pavao je u NZ od neprijatelja nazvan kolovođom nazirejskog kulta,a bogme nazireji su sasvim nešto drugo od onog što nam je prodato u NZ o Isusu i apostolima. Puno dima...na nama je da istražujemo...
opet se sve svodi na odluku za Isusa Krista ili za esene i nazireje....

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Tko je pravednik koji može biti egzekutor?
Pravednik je onaj tko ima trn u svom oku a onaj koga treba ubiti kao nasilnika je onaj koji ima stablo u oku svom . Pravilo je dakle da možemo nedozvoliti da nam čini zlo neko tko ne poštuje tuđu elementarnu slobodu i kome nismo nanijeli zlo. Pravednik će ponuditi mir čak donekle i na svoju štetu, i ako u oku nasilnika vidi malo vrline prvi će baciti mač u grmlje da potakne njegovu vrlinu u rast.
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opet se sve svodi na odluku za Isusa Krista ili za esene i nazireje....
Eseni i nazireji su čekali učitelja pravednosti,Krista.
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Nepročitano 24-10-11, 21:31   #125
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Pravednik je onaj tko ima trn u svom oku a onaj koga treba ubiti kao nasilnika je onaj koji ima stablo u oku svom . Pravilo je dakle da možemo nedozvoliti da nam čini zlo neko tko ne poštuje tuđu elementarnu slobodu i kome nismo nanijeli zlo. Pravednik će ponuditi mir čak donekle i na svoju štetu, i ako u oku nasilnika vidi malo vrline prvi će baciti mač u grmlje da potakne njegovu vrlinu u rast.
oprosti mi na indiskretnom pitanju, ali postoji li iznimka?npr.ako se radi o tvome djetetu...koje (hipotetski rečeno) ustrajava u "tvrdoći srca"?


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Nepročitano 24-10-11, 23:49   #126
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ali prije toga moramo odrediti polazište--polazimo li od ZLIH LJUDI ili ljudi kao stvorenja koja imaju svoje dostojanstvo i koja se slobodno odlučuju za loše djelovanje i umreživanje tih djelovanja....

Ako je polazište zao čovjek, vrlo je lako odrediti njegovu sudbinu...Zlo treba odbacivati, ali čovjeka?

Tko je pravednik koji može biti egzekutor?
Koja poanta je u tome da se čovjek polazišno odredi kao dobar ili zao!?
Kroz život će činiti dobro i loše.


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Koja poanta je u tome da se čovjek polazišno odredi kao dobar ili zao!?
Kroz život će činiti dobro i loše.
nešto što je zlo, uništava se...a nešto što čini zlo, skučava ga se u daljnjem činjenju.

nije isto.
Ako krenemo od zlog čovjeka, vrlo lako je zaključiti da ga se može ubiti.......(ili osobno ili smrtnom kaznom).
Ako krenemo od čovjeka koji čini zlo,onda ga se sankcionira, ali očuvava život jer je život vrijednost br.1....unatoč svemu i unatoč tome što je on drugog ubio.


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nešto što je zlo, uništava se...a nešto što čini zlo, skučava ga se u daljnjem činjenju.

nije isto.
Ako krenemo od zlog čovjeka, vrlo lako je zaključiti da ga se može ubiti.......(ili osobno ili smrtnom kaznom).
Ako krenemo od čovjeka koji čini zlo,onda ga se sankcionira, ali očuvava život jer je život vrijednost br.1....unatoč svemu i unatoč tome što je on drugog ubio.
Krenimo od nule.


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Krenimo od nule.
to bi ti bio pravi pravcati Aristotel...tabula rasa...prazna ploča....

Uh, koliko toga se skupit može....u tog jednog čovjeka...


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