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Nepročitano 23-10-11, 15:43   #31
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Ne bih ti volila dati vlast.....kod tebe nema oprosta, pokajanja...niti Zakona "ne ubij".....
Eto vidiš,mudri Solomon je prihvaćen kao mudar vladar ali je dao ubiti onu lažljivu ženu koja je pristala da se ono djete raspolovi na dva dijela. Koja "strahota".

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Ne kažem da one koje nanose bol i štetu drugom ne treba odstraniti iz društva, zatvoriti...ali ubiti po kratkom postupku??? Po čijem nalogu? U čije ime? Božje????
Zakon praštanja je za normalne ljude koji su zlo učinili u afektu a ne za 40 godišnje ubice na čijim dušama su tisuće i milioni ljudi.
Bog u svoje ime ne kaže "Ubi" ali kaže "Tko ubija bit će ubijen" i slično. Ja sam lijepo napisao da je drugi problem za one koji osvetnički muče i ubijaju,koji su uvučeni u kolo uzroka i posljedica.
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I prečesto, kada se počne sa nasiljem, bilo u ratu, demonstracijama ili revoluciji, nasilnici koji su započeli nasilje, bivaju nasiljem i smaknuti sa scene, a na kraju dolazi mir i razum, pre ili kasnije.
Mada mi se ipak čini da poneko ne razlikuje nasilje od opravdane sile, ma šta ona bila, ako i postoji uopšte.....
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"Tko se mača /zemaljskog/ laća od mača /zemaljskog/ će i poginuti" u reinkarnacijskoj kaljuži. Nebesko mučenje je savjesno mučenje kada duša u astralu puno bolje vidi kakvo je zlo drugima činila i kada joj muke drugih budu vidljive i na duši osjetljive patit će.

U biti puno bolje prođa na zemlji ona duša koja je od drugih bude mučena (kao što je dijeom mučen Gadafi) jer su patnje "gore" puno duže i teže.

Klasične crkvene dogme zastrašivanja. Ma od kud ti to i tko ti je rekao da duša pati i muči se "gore"?? Čistilište? I do kad je duša mučena i od koga??? Boga koji je bezuvijetna ljubav? Po teorji "Tko se mača lača i od mača će poginuti" od koga očekuješ "izuzeće" u svom slučaju ako daš metak u čelo (bez mučenja) umjesto kamenovanja??? Nisi li se i ti u tom slučaju ulovio mača od kojega ćeš i poginuti?
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U starom zavjetu, da...onda je dosao novi zavjet, s nesto drugacijom porukom,ako cemo po bibliji.

Nasilje je zacarani krug, dok ga ne prekine svjesnost,suosjecanje i ljubav...

Vise je postigao Gandhi ahimsom, nego puno ratova...
Treba znati kada trebaš i možeš primiti tuđi šamar a da ne uzvratiš i da na drugačiji način nešto dokažeš i nasilniku daš lekciju nenasiljem.

Nasilje nije začarani krug kada nekome spasavaš život od nasilnika. Ako ja u šumi naiđem na grdosiju od čovjeka gdje siluje djete jedini način je da ga kamenom lupim u glavu i ako ga ubijem za to djelo u prepasti neću biti osuđen ni od svjetovne vlasti ni od nebeske.
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Eto vidiš,mudri Solomon je prihvaćen kao mudar vladar ali je dao ubiti onu lažljivu ženu koja je pristala da se ono djete raspolovi na dva dijela. Koja "strahota".



Zakon praštanja je za normalne ljude koji su zlo učinili u afektu a ne za 40 godišnje ubice na čijim dušama su tisuće i milioni ljudi.
Bog u svoje ime ne kaže "Ubi" ali kaže "Tko ubija bit će ubijen" i slično. Ja sam lijepo napisao da je drugi problem za one koji osvetnički muče i ubijaju,koji su uvučeni u kolo uzroka i posljedica.

Vidim ja da se ti loviš Biblije prema potrebi, kako ti paše. Malo ti je Sotonska, malo ti je Zakon.....Malo ti je sve izmjenjeno, malo ti paše baš kako je napisano....
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Klasične crkvene dogme zastrašivanja. Ma od kud ti to i tko ti je rekao da duša pati i muči se "gore"?? Čistilište? I do kad je duša mučena i od koga??? Boga koji je bezuvijetna ljubav? Po teorji "Tko se mača lača i od mača će poginuti" od koga očekuješ "izuzeće" u svom slučaju ako daš metak u čelo (bez mučenja) umjesto kamenovanja??? Nisi li se i ti u tom slučaju ulovio mača od kojega ćeš i poginuti?
Ne dogma nego riječ biblije pa kako god da je intepretiraš. Imam pravo na svoju intepretaciju i ja je argumentirano branim.
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Treba znati kada trebaš i možeš primiti tuđi šamar a da ne uzvratiš i da na drugačiji način nešto dokažeš i nasilniku daš lekciju nenasiljem.

Nasilje nije začarani krug kada nekome spasavaš život od nasilnika. Ako ja u šumi naiđem na grdosiju od čovjeka gdje siluje djete jedini način je da ga kamenom lupim u glavu i ako ga ubijem za to djelo u prepasti neću biti osuđen ni od svjetovne vlasti ni od nebeske.
Mislim da pise u novom zavjet samo o okretanju drugog obraza, ne pise i ovo drugo.

Vidim da si zivotno mudar, i vjerujem da uspjesno plivas u svijet oko sebe. I vjerojatno alfa muzjak, cini testosteron se osjeti i preko ekrana (mozda malo pretjerujem i mastam, ali dozvoli mi :D)

Ali ako je tema zaustavljanje nasilja, onda je mozda pravi put ugasiti ga u sebi i sve sto se cini ciniti i drugih pobuda. Jer ne vidim drugi put.

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Eto vidiš,mudri Solomon je prihvaćen kao mudar vladar ali je dao ubiti onu lažljivu ženu koja je pristala da se ono djete raspolovi na dva dijela. Koja "strahota".
Slape, ne treba ići 3000 godina unazad...
govoriš o gadafiju...
ja sam bio prvi da se makne sa vlasti, jer ne volim diktatore... ali goniti ga i ubiti metkom u glavu, bez razumnog razloga, ima li to smisla?
Na kraju.. kakve razlike ima između njega i onih koji će doći na vlast a koji ubijaju metkom u čelo bez suđenja...
isto možemo govoriti o egiptu, sada je tamo skoro građanski rat između ekstremista i kopta...
svaka revolucija jede svoju decu, to je još neprevaziđena istina.

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Vidim ja da se ti loviš Biblije prema potrebi, kako ti paše. Malo ti je Sotonska, malo ti je Zakon.....Malo ti je sve izmjenjeno, malo ti paše baš kako je napisano....
Najbitnije je u svemu tome da ću ja tebe silom i mržnjom prema zlu spasiti od nasilnika koji će te pokušati silovati u sred dana na autobusnoj stanici, a ti pričaj što hoćeš. Ja znam što je mudrost u praksi a ti teoretiziraj koliko hoćeš o praštanju.
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Najbitnije je u svemu tome da ću ja tebe silom i mržnjom prema zlu spasiti od nasilnika koji će te pokušati silovati u sred dana na autobusnoj stanici, a ti pričaj što hoćeš. Ja znam što je mudrost u praksi a ti teoretiziraj koliko hoćeš o praštanju.
Za tvoju informaciju bila sam u sličnoj situaciji i spasila se sama, bez upotrebe oružja i ubistva nekoga. A bila sam i u situaciji da spasim drugoga od takvih, i jesam, bez upotrebe oružja i bez da smo ikog ubili. Ne pričaj i ne junači se kad nemaš pojma kakvih sudbina i iskustava ovdje ima.
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