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Nepročitano 23-10-11, 20:09   #51
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Ne sviđa nam se negativno.

Jednom prilikom u mom osobnom bijesu prema političkim zločincima istresao sam svoju ideju da odgovornim rukovodstvima u sferi političkog i poslovnog svijeta treba oštro suditi tj. odrediti momentalne smrtne kazne "metkom u glavu".

Na to mi je jedna osoba odgovorila da je to pogrešno stajalište zato što agresija zaziva agresiju.

Moje pitanje je: Ako zakon privlačnosti djeluje na način da privlači sličnosti, kakve su posljedice protivljenja tome zakonu?

Da li se može mijenjati zakon univerzuma?

Ili se može učiti iz negativnosti i "pametnom negativnosti" po istom polju pobijediti samu negativnost!?

Npr. Hackeri su "kriminalci" a neki od najboljih kackera su zaposleni u borbi protiv "virtualnog" kriminala.
Policija također, može se kriminalcima suprostaviti jedino ako im oduzme slobodu, a to dolazi silom...osim ako je kriminalac doživio prosvjetljenje pa se sam predao.

I što sad? Jel nasilje opravdano ili nije opravdano? ili nije...pa je? ili...samo onda kad je...sve dok nije bez obzira što je došao trenutak da nije...kad bi mogao biti opravdan a je van svake sumnje da nije možda nešto drugo u pitanju jednog zeke dok ga medo progoni me strah od zmija ponekad ujutro volim šetnju šumicom sa 3 žlice kave žongliram? A šećer ubro nisam zbog kišne godine?
Situacija nije baš tako jednostavna kako se čini a možda čak ni onakva.
Eh da tema koja nastane u 4 ujutro je ubedljivo najbolja i neću da je diskiminišem zbog njenog vremenskog nastanka,nego reci ti nama stari šta ti se desilo tog jutra te zašto ovakva tema?
A to sa hakerima je klasična zamena teza,to ti je kao kad neko kaže svi su doktori korumpirani i svi su doktori trovači....naravno da stvari nisu globalno takve,samo postoje destruktivni predstavnici koji deluju kao pojedinci a ne kao ceo destruktivni kolektiv.
Elem nijedno zlostavljanje ili nasilje nije opravdano i to je tako jednostavno da jednostavnije ne može biti. ;D
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Tu se radi o kolektivnim vibracijama.

Kolektiv je dosta jak.

Što je više ljudi u vibracijama ljubavi to će balas više vući na tu stranu.
Da, u ovome vidim riješenje.
Na takav način se ne suprostavljamo nasilju već podržavamo ljubav.
Suprostavljanje nasilju može ići jedino nasiljem a na to smo prisiljeni ako postoji nasilna prijetnja našem životu.


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Obično prava istina i pravo stanje stvari sjedalu poslije pa će tako i tebi ponešto sjesti. Prva je činjenica da je velika većina naroda,koji su kakti bili "zbrinuti" i tako zahvalni Gadafiju a ipk nekim "čudom" odlučili uči u strašnu borbu sa malobrojnijim a vojno moćnim Gadafijinim pristašama. Ne razlijkuješ kako su živjeli od onog kako su mogli živjeti.

Druga je stvar koja izlazi na vidjelo kako je Gadafi ( i njegovi,uža porodica)zapravo raskalašeno,perverzno i bezobrazno živio mučeći sve sluge oko sebe a kradući velika bogatstva i skrivajući u inozemstvo. Ako se je tebi Gadafi skrivao iza maske šatora meni ne može.
Popušio si američku propagandu punim plućima, čini mi se.

Mda, zaista - ako je i živio raskalašeno - koja je razlika između njegove raskalašenosti i raskalašenosti bilo kojeg drugog vođe, pa čak i u tzv. demokraciji? On je barem svom narodu omogućio život u blagostanju za razliku od drugih. Misliš da Obama ne živi raskalašeno? Poneki članovi katoličkog i inog svećenstva, "duhovni" ljudi?, britanska kraljevska obitelj (i druge kraljevske obitelji) žive kako? - nadasve skromno i samozatajno?


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Ostavi se bijednih mantri.

Tebi bi moja agresija i mržnja dobro došla u sitoaciji da te nekolicina obijesnih i uspaljenih mladića uhvate na autobusnoj stanici i počnu te silovati u sred dana (kao što se i događa u svijetu),. jer Slap je taj koji bi odmah pogledao oko sebe ima li dobra toljaga kako bi ih svom žestinom mogao udarati po glavama i leđima i koljenima....jer Slap nije taj koji bi okrenuo glavu i otišao "svojim poslom" ili bi pak kao naivni vjerski ahimsa fanatik cmizdrio: "Ljudi stanite,bojte se boga..." i dobio batina na licu mjesta a ti bi imala traume čitav život iz kojih se ne bi izvukla.
Hvala ti, no meni ne treba takva pomoć. Zašto uopće misliš da bi mi se dogodilo takvo što? Jako se dobro snalazim sama u životu i prošla sam velik dio puta ne čineći nasilje i zauzvrat ga niti ne izazivajući.

Što se tiče trauma kao posljedica silovanja i tu bih imala štogod za reći. Većina tih trauma potiče od prevelike identifikacije sa svojim fizičkim tijelom i otuda cijela dramatizacija. Ako si živ i neozlijeđen - otresi se i idi dalje. Nema mjesta drami. Jer, JA nisam moje tijelo! I ovo, ne bi vjerovao - govorim vrlo, vrlo utemeljeno.

Kompletna koncepcija stvarnosti je iskrivljena kod današnjeg čovjeka, paradigma je pogrešna i zato se dešavaju takvi nesporazumi i tragedije.


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Po zakonu akcije i reakcije jedino se zlo može nositi sa zlom isto kao dobro sa dobrom.
To bi značilo da se zlo ne može nositi sa dobrom niti dobro sa zlom.
Znači, protivljenje zlu na način "tko tebe kamenom ti njega kruhom" je zahtjev da se čini protuprirodna stvar.

U uvodnom postu sam pitao: Ako nasilje zaziva nasilje, zašto osuđujemo nasilne reakcije?

Analogno tome bi bilo osuđivanje dobrog kao reakciju na dobro.
Moram priznati da ne razumijem otkuda ovi zaključci niti su mi logični. Pa ne možeš aplicirati zakone njutonovske fizike na nečiju svijest? Povijest je pokazala koliko je to "učinkovito".


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Možda će netko shvatiti moje pitanje ako ga još jednom ponovim.

Ako zakon privlačnosti djeluje dosljedno i bez iznimke, da li postoji opcija da se zakon zaobiđe pa da nasilje ne izrodi novo nasilje!?

Isto vrijedi i za ljubav.
Možda postoji ... smatram da se to dešava u slučaju npr. zlostavljane djece koja, umjesto da postanu novi zlostavljači, uspiju izaći iz tog začaranog kruga i otrgnuti se pa se okrenu čistoj ljubavi i činjenju dobra te opraštanju svojim zlostavljateljima. No, to je ipak dosta rijetko jer podrazumijeva puno, puno, puno rada na sebi, zahtijeva veliku odvažnost i viši stupanj svijesti. Moguće je da će toga biti sve više jer se rađaju neka nova, drugačija djeca.


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Najbitnije je u svemu tome da ću ja tebe silom i mržnjom prema zlu spasiti od nasilnika koji će te pokušati silovati u sred dana na autobusnoj stanici, a ti pričaj što hoćeš. Ja znam što je mudrost u praksi a ti teoretiziraj koliko hoćeš o praštanju.
Pa ti sebe vidiš kao spasitelja svijeta, sad mi je jasno.

Samo pazi - mislim da te to nitko nije tražio niti dao te ovlasti.

Razmisli o tome ne vršiš li i ti nasilje nad slobodnom voljom duša svojim samovoljnim spašavanjem? Jesi li ikada pomislio da drugima ne treba spašavanje - barem ne takvo?


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Nisu svi nasilnici mekušci sa kavim si ti imala posla. Neki što počnu i završe i ne muče ih nečije riječi ili pokreti ili nepokreti tijela (neki seksualni nasilnici uspjevaju zato jer se žrtva brani) jednostavno imamo mnogo uspješnih pokušaja.
Mda. A najgori su pritajeni nasilnici koji se kriju pod krinkom duhovnosti, časti, vigilante mentaliteta, spasitelja svijeta, osloboditelja... Njih se najviše treba bojati. Eto, UN je isto jedan takav "spasitelj".

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Očito je da se zaobilazi. Koliko puta smo doživjeli da damo ljubav a dobjemo figu? Da strpljivo toleriramo nekog a dobjemo batinom? Doživjeli smo i situacije gdje smo doista pobjedili "kruhom" onog tko nas je htio kamenom...bar ja. A bogme i da smo morali stijenom onog tko nas je kamenom. Što god bio uzrok (podsvjest, svijest, ego, duša, duh) mogu samo zaključiti da je kao i sve na svijetu i taj Zakon relativan.
Iskreno davanje ljubavi ujedno i ispunjuje ljubavlju onoga koji daje. Na kraju krajeva nisi dobila figu nego nešto puno, puno više.
Zakon privlačnosti.

Davanje je jednako primanju. Nije bezveze kada ljudi kažu "volim voliti".
Jedino što nas naše ideje o adekvatnom dobivanju mogu zaslijepiti pa nam promakne primjetiti ono što smo dobili.
I kada ne vidimo da smo davanjem "neuzvraćene" ljubavi boravili u ljubavi već vidimo samo "što nam druga osoba nije dala", ostaje ogorčenje. Ogorčenje veže za sebe "traženje pravde po svojoj mjeri", sputavanjem i uvjetovanjem.
Tada daješ sumnju i nepovjerenje a zakon privlačnosti ti ih vraća nazad.

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Možda postoji ... smatram da se to dešava u slučaju npr. zlostavljane djece koja, umjesto da postanu novi zlostavljači, uspiju izaći iz tog začaranog kruga i otrgnuti se pa se okrenu čistoj ljubavi i činjenju dobra te opraštanju svojim zlostavljateljima. No, to je ipak dosta rijetko jer podrazumijeva puno, puno, puno rada na sebi, zahtijeva veliku odvažnost i viši stupanj svijesti. Moguće je da će toga biti sve više jer se rađaju neka nova, drugačija djeca.
Čovjek se može "otrgnuti" ali na način da se ne bavi sa mrakom već da upali svijetlo.

Nekad umjesto da ideš riješavati probleme na način da ih raščlanjuješ i analiziraš, okreneš se stvarima koje te čine sretnima a zakon privlačnosti će odraditi svoje.


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