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Nepročitano 24-10-11, 09:32   #61
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Iskreno davanje ljubavi ujedno i ispunjuje ljubavlju onoga koji daje. Na kraju krajeva nisi dobila figu nego nešto puno, puno više.
Zakon privlačnosti.

Davanje je jednako primanju. Nije bezveze kada ljudi kažu "volim voliti".
Jedino što nas naše ideje o adekvatnom dobivanju mogu zaslijepiti pa nam promakne primjetiti ono što smo dobili.
I kada ne vidimo da smo davanjem "neuzvraćene" ljubavi boravili u ljubavi već vidimo samo "što nam druga osoba nije dala", ostaje ogorčenje. Ogorčenje veže za sebe "traženje pravde po svojoj mjeri", sputavanjem i uvjetovanjem.
Tada daješ sumnju i nepovjerenje a zakon privlačnosti ti ih vraća nazad.

Sve po zakonu.

Je. Logično, razumno i to je tako. Samo malo teže izvedivo. Još nisam naišla na ljudsko biće, koliko god bilo dobro i milo, toplo i drago, potpunog davanja...kojeg nije pogodilo ne primanje. Lako što se ne primi (ajd....i to dobra duša prežali bez ogorčenja), nego takvo biće objekt primanja osim što ništa ne vraća još i povrijedi! (Po Zakonu ne bi trebalo...) A glede Zakona....nije mi jasno kako baš hladni, bešćutni za ljubav nesposobni privuku tople duše..Isišu energiju i kad sve posaugaju pedaliraju dalje saugati drugo toplo biće. Glede toga taj Zakon mi sve više liči da djeluje kao ravnoteža. Onaj koji ima - daje. Onaj koji nema - uzima. A ljudi su toliko iscrpljeni da ni onaj koji ima više nema volje davati. Jer po Zakonu privlačnosti privuče nekog tko će ga opet samo posaugati....i ničim napuniti. I doista ispada da kada ti ništa i nitko ne treba, kada ti je svejedno, dobješ sve. E sad....a što će mi onda??
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Je. Logično, razumno i to je tako. Samo malo teže izvedivo. Još nisam naišla na ljudsko biće, koliko god bilo dobro i milo, toplo i drago, potpunog davanja...kojeg nije pogodilo ne primanje. Lako što se ne primi (ajd....i to dobra duša prežali bez ogorčenja), nego takvo biće objekt primanja osim što ništa ne vraća još i povrijedi! (Po Zakonu ne bi trebalo...) A glede Zakona....nije mi jasno kako baš hladni, bešćutni za ljubav nesposobni privuku tople duše..Isišu energiju i kad sve posaugaju pedaliraju dalje saugati drugo toplo biće. Glede toga taj Zakon mi sve više liči da djeluje kao ravnoteža. Onaj koji ima - daje. Onaj koji nema - uzima. A ljudi su toliko iscrpljeni da ni onaj koji ima više nema volje davati. Jer po Zakonu privlačnosti privuče nekog tko će ga opet samo posaugati....i ničim napuniti. I doista ispada da kada ti ništa i nitko ne treba, kada ti je svejedno, dobješ sve. E sad....a što će mi onda??
Može pogoditi ali imaš dragocjeno iskustvo iskrenog i otvorenog davanja ljubavi i boravka u svojoj ljubavi. Vidjela si sama sebe i možeš biti mirna sama sa sobom a to je jedino bitno.
Odustani od borbe protiv onih "koji drugima nešto čine" jer se pri tome osjećaš loše i zoveš loše u svoj život.
Zovi dobro gledajući dobro tamo gdje ima dobrog.

U odnosima nije sve crno - bijelo. Dobivaš ljubav boraveći u ljubavi davanjem. Ako pri tome s vremenom izostaje davanje sa druge strane a osjećaš da ti je to važno onda na vrijeme znaš da takav odnos treba prekinuti. Znaš zato što si sama sa sobom čista i jasno ti je što tražiš.
Druga strana ne daje zato što to traži i zakonom privlačnosti to dobiva. Onaj tko ne daje traži ne davanje i on ne dobiva.
Bez obzira što mu ti daješ on to nije u mogućnosti primiti jer traži ne davanje.

I sad, ako usprkos tome što ti nutrina govori da odnos treba prekinuti, nastavljaš takav odnos, počinju se javljati dvojbe, strahovi, otpori itd. a to je upravo ostvarenje zakona privlačnosti druge strane koja je svojim "ne-davanjem" to zazvala tj. dobiva ono što traži.
Oboje dobivate što tražite.

Kada bi u takvom odnosu davala iskrenu i otvorenu ljubav do trenutka kada bi nutrina rekla da odnos treba prekinuti jer izostaje davanje sa druge strane, mirno bi otišla svojim putem ne davajući prostora kasnijim dvojbama, strahu i otporu da i nakon napokon prekida dalje privlače upravo ljude koji to isto dobivaju posljedicom sličnog slijeda događaja.


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Što se tiče trauma kao posljedica silovanja i tu bih imala štogod za reći. Većina tih trauma potiče od prevelike identifikacije sa svojim fizičkim tijelom i otuda cijela dramatizacija. Ako si živ i neozlijeđen - otresi se i idi dalje. Nema mjesta drami. Jer, JA nisam moje tijelo! I ovo, ne bi vjerovao - govorim vrlo, vrlo utemeljeno.

Kompletna koncepcija stvarnosti je iskrivljena kod današnjeg čovjeka, paradigma je pogrešna i zato se dešavaju takvi nesporazumi i tragedije.
Čitam i ne vjerujem svojim očima da si napisala da je silovanje jedna velika dramatizacija i drama.


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Što se tiče trauma kao posljedica silovanja i tu bih imala štogod za reći. Većina tih trauma potiče od prevelike identifikacije sa svojim fizičkim tijelom i otuda cijela dramatizacija. Ako si živ i neozlijeđen - otresi se i idi dalje. Nema mjesta drami.


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Popušio si američku propagandu punim plućima, čini mi se.

Mda, zaista - ako je i živio raskalašeno - koja je razlika između njegove raskalašenosti i raskalašenosti bilo kojeg drugog vođe, pa čak i u tzv. demokraciji? On je barem svom narodu omogućio život u blagostanju za razliku od drugih. Misliš da Obama ne živi raskalašeno? Poneki članovi katoličkog i inog svećenstva, "duhovni" ljudi?, britanska kraljevska obitelj (i druge kraljevske obitelji) žive kako? - nadasve skromno i samozatajno?


Diktatorova djeca žive raskalašeno zato što im je i otac takav. Diktatorova djeca (Gadafija,Sadama,Miloševića u Srbiji....) činila su kaznena djela bez problema,silovanja,prostitucija,nasilje u javnosti (ludovanje sa vozilima,pucanje sa automatskom puškom u disku...) i niko im ništa nije mogao jer su bili javna mafija. Sve su to novine pisale....

To djeca političara u demokratskim zemljama ne smiju činiti jer bi im očevi odmah morali dati ostavku.

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Ako si živ i neozlijeđen - otresi se i idi dalje.
Govorim o silovanjima,a njih nema bez ozljeda. Da bi prošla bez ozljede silovanje te mora seksualno uzbuditi.
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Hvala ti, no meni ne treba takva pomoć. Zašto uopće misliš da bi mi se dogodilo takvo što? Jako se dobro snalazim sama u životu i prošla sam velik dio puta ne čineći nasilje i zauzvrat ga niti ne izazivajući.
Ne uobražavaj se svojom trenutnom sitoacijom jer ne znaš kakve grijehe i ti i svako od nas nosi na duši i kada će posljedica naslijediti. Možemo biti nevini u odnosu na sitoaciju u projekciji onog što smo radili u ovom životu ,ali ne nevini uopće jer nosimo i svoje drevne reinkarnacijske grijehe.

Mnoge mlade djevojke koje su imale strašan duhovni poriv i od mladosti prihvatile samostanski odvojeni život bile su seksualno mučene od zlotvora koji su kroz vihor rata i na drugi način imali priliku da ih uhvate. Pa i djete od nekoliko godina biva silovano.
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