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Nepročitano 06-12-11, 22:55   #11
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šta nam je najveći prijatelj.. osoba, ili ono što čini osoba prema nama...

možete li sebi samoima reći-imam prijatelja koji bi skočio u vatru za mene...
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Volim prijateljicu zbog onoga sto ne cini prema meni. Ne ispituje , ne optuzuje...
A da bi skocila u vatru za mene ...? nacekala bih se a ona vrlo dobro zna da i ja volim svoje dupence isto ko i ona svoje i nitko to ne ocekuje.Mozda bi mi dodala metlu i ostala na rubu


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Najboljeg prijatelja možeš vrlo lako prepoznat. Onda kada ti je najteže, onda kad ništa nemaš za djelit, onda kada misliš da si napušten od svih i da ti nitko nemože pomoći. Tada vidiš ko je uz tebe i tko ti je istinski prijatelj. Prijatelj ti nije onaj ko je s tobom kad ti je dobro, kad imaš ljubav, kad imaš novac, kad imaš posao i obitelj. Prijatelj je onaj koji je uz tebe onda kada ti je to najpotrebnije, kada ti treba dati savjet i otvorit ti oći da pogledaš svijet kakv on je uistinu, da ti pokaže kako ćeš sve to prihavtit i kojim putem ići. Prijatelj ti je onaj ko će ti u lice reći bez okolišanja što osjeća prema tebi, reći ti u lice gdje grješiš bez uljepšavanja, reći ti i grubu riječ ako ti je ona potrebna da te probudi, koji se neće naljutit ako mu vratiš istom grubom rječju. To je prijatelj na kojeg se možeš oslonit, to je pravi prijatelj.
Da imam takvog prijatelja. I iako se ne ćujemo po mjesec dana to ne znaći da se nevolimo ili da si nismo dobri, ne! To znaći da nam je dobro i da nam ne treba pomoć ali znamo da je imamo ako nam zatreba.

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Zasigurno je zanimljivo tematski o prijateljstvu govoriti i o prijateljstvu čovjeka sa životinjom. Životinja sa djetetom može biti prijatelj jer djete ne zrači negativnu energiju i to pas osjeti. Isto tako pas može biti prijatelj djetetu preko gazde koji psa voli a pas će osjetiti "prijatelj mog prijatelja je i moj prijatelj". Ima slučajeva u svijetu da je životinja u svojoj prirodi (čimpanza,majmun,vuk,gazela....) odgojila čovjeka bebu u čovjeka životinju , a to je opet preko nekog "čudnog" instinkta ljubav i prijateljstva čovjeka (?)i životinje.
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Najboljeg prijatelja možeš vrlo lako prepoznat. Onda kada ti je najteže, onda kad ništa nemaš za djelit,
To svakako.

Meni je jako zanimljivu definiciju prijateljstva dala jedna stara kolegica sa posla: "Pravi prijatelj ti je onaj kod kojeg se usudiš sam zaviriti u frižider te iz njega uzeti za pojesti i popiti bilo da je prijatelj kod kuće ili nije".
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Zasigurno je zanimljivo tematski o prijateljstvu govoriti i o prijateljstvu čovjeka sa životinjom. Životinja sa djetetom može biti prijatelj jer djete ne zrači negativnu energiju i to pas osjeti. Isto tako pas može biti prijatelj djetetu preko gazde koji psa voli a pas će osjetiti "prijatelj mog prijatelja je i moj prijatelj". Ima slučajeva u svijetu da je životinja u svojoj prirodi (čimpanza,majmun,vuk,gazela....) odgojila čovjeka bebu u čovjeka životinju , a to je opet preko nekog "čudnog" instinkta ljubav i prijateljstva čovjeka (?)i životinje.
Jako je interesantno to oko životinja i ljudi. Najzanimljivije je to što po meni, a i smatram to tačnim, životinje mogu biti prijateljski raspoloženi prema nama, ali i "rođaćki", kao kada "usvojimo" malenu životinju, macu, kucu ili bilo šta (mislim na "više" oblike razuma, pre svega sisare sa najvišom inteligencijom) oni nas smatraju rođacima, a sebe delom "porodice", jer od prvih dana zapažanja oni sebe vide sa nama, i ne mogu "svesno" razlikovati rođake od nas, jer nemaju takva saznanja, poput deteta koje ne zna da je usvojeno, pa one koji su ga usvojili voli kao da su mu pravi roditelji, jer ih tako doživljava. Ne smatram da psi, a posebno mačke sebe doživljavaju kao ljude, naprotiv, svesni su svoje razčličitosti, ali im ona ne smeta da se smatraju delom nas.

Iako nam to ne deluje privlačno, prijateljstvo je poput ljubavi, posledica evolucije i dugih odnosa jedinki u skupinama, čoporima ili krdima. Životinje poput mačaka koje žive samostalno (izuzev lavova) su usamljenici, i teško se prilagođavaju životu sa nekim. To su mačke zadržale do danas, zato su samostalnije od ljudi, iako im jako prija društvo čoveka, ali samo ako im odgovara, i dok im odgovara, jer su svesne svojih potreba, a prijateljstvo im je potrebno samo sa onim osobama koje one procene kao "prihvatljive". To znaju svi koji su bliski sa mačkama.

Moja definicija prijateljstva je jednostavna:prijatelj nam je onaj ko nam pomaže i znači onda kada nam je potrebno, a to mora biti reciprocitet. Ne morate "voleti" prijatelja, ljubav je druga opcija, emotivna, u odnosu dva čoveka.

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Iako je ljubav širi pojam od prijateljstva, čini mi se da je ona neodvojiva od njega...

Štoviše, ona je fundament prijateljstvu....

I, svakako, ako se ljubav sužuje samo na polje samih emocija, ona je vrlo skliska....

Ljubav bez onoga elementa "ratio", meni je nejasna..što ne znači da ne postoji.Samo naglašavam vlastite nejasnoće..Oly, da ne bi bilo zabune ;)

Uz ratio, ima toga puno još....od empatije, žrtve, radosti i nade...itd.

Također, realna sam pa shvaćam potrebu neke vrste "reciprotiteta" jer smo nedovršeni u svome postojanju, ali to svakako nije princip "dam da daš"..i u tome smo, vjerujem, svi složni.

Ideal-dati život za prijatelja, o tome ovdje sad neću...bilo bi previše...:)


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Po meni, i osećam duboko da sam apsolutno u pravu, inače bih promenio taj stav, možemo tražiti prijatelje, svuda, samo ako smo i sami spremni biti prijatelji, bez merenja, već uz shvatanje suštine prijateljstva.......

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"Kad bi ljudi jedni drugima mogli čitati misli, niko ne bi imao prijatelja!"

nisam upamtila ko je to rekao.
Što se mene tiče, moji prijatelji mogu mi čitati misli, ja sam ili iskren prijatelj, ili to nisam. Nikada nisam glumio prijateljstvo, već sam to uvek sa sobom onkvim kakav jesam... možda mi se ne bi dopalo ono što bih "pročitao" u mislima drugih, ali bi i misli tada bile drugačije, jer bi ljudi više pazili šta misle.........

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Također, realna sam pa shvaćam potrebu neke vrste "reciprotiteta" jer smo nedovršeni u svome postojanju, ali to svakako nije princip "dam da daš"..i u tome smo, vjerujem, svi složni.

Ideal-dati život za prijatelja, o tome ovdje sad neću...bilo bi previše...:)
Nekad se daje život i za neznanca i za neprijatelja u pokušaju da mu spasimo život....

"Reciprotite" ponekad može biti i pažnja i zahvalnost,i što znamo da je čovjek općenito dobar pa kao takav može i nama nekad pomoći. Neprijatelja koji me gura sa litice (primjer...) da bi prisvojio moje stvari, i kada se ja izvučem od pada,a on se nađe u sitoaciji da visi iznad litice svakako ga neću spašavati koliko god me molio, jer tko pod drugim jamu kopa treba mu omogućiti da sam u nju padne.
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