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Nepročitano 21-06-13, 09:35   #31
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''Ako se plašimo manipulativnih ljudi, to je samo zato što ne shvatamo da je svako biće na zemlji (uključujući i nas) manipulativno.Manipulativnost nije zlo.Ne podrazumeva se da neko namerava da povredi ili iskoristi druge ljude radi svoje koristi.Šta onda znači biti manipulativan?To znači govoriti i delovati na način koji garantuje da ćemo od drugih ljudi dobiti reakciju koju želimo da dobijemo.Tako da je manipulacija mehanizam preko kog većina nas pokušava da dobije ljubav.Manipulacija je mehanizam preko kog većina nas pokušava da ostvari sigurnost.... jer ne verujemo da će svet biti dobar prema nama.Svako je manipulativan, samo smo manje ili više svesni tog aspekta u nama.''
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''Ako se plašimo manipulativnih ljudi, to je samo zato što ne shvatamo da je svako biće na zemlji (uključujući i nas) manipulativno.Manipulativnost nije zlo.Ne podrazumeva se da neko namerava da povredi ili iskoristi druge ljude radi svoje koristi.Šta onda znači biti manipulativan?To znači govoriti i delovati na način koji garantuje da ćemo od drugih ljudi dobiti reakciju koju želimo da dobijemo.Tako da je manipulacija mehanizam preko kog većina nas pokušava da dobije ljubav.Manipulacija je mehanizam preko kog većina nas pokušava da ostvari sigurnost.... jer ne verujemo da će svet biti dobar prema nama.Svako je manipulativan, samo smo manje ili više svesni tog aspekta u nama.''
Odnosno, onaj tko nije manipulativan je samo onaj tko je u potpunosti osvješten i stoga svoje sposobnosti i želje za manipulacijom svjesno odlučuje ne koristiti i/ili ne živi među ljudima (između ostalog i iz tog razloga - jer razumije implikacije).

No, s druge strane - da li je i to manipulacija? Odnosno, do koje razine ide definicija?

Ako uspješno manifestiram - da li manipuliram ili dopuštam?

Da li je kreiranje = manipuliranje?


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Odnosno, onaj tko nije manipulativan je samo onaj tko je u potpunosti osvješten i stoga svoje sposobnosti i želje za manipulacijom svjesno odlučuje ne koristiti i/ili ne živi među ljudima (između ostalog i iz tog razloga - jer razumije implikacije).

No, s druge strane - da li je i to manipulacija? Odnosno, do koje razine ide definicija?

Ako uspješno manifestiram - da li manipuliram ili dopuštam?

Da li je kreiranje = manipuliranje?

Verovatno manipulacija ide uz želju, jer subjekt misli da će njom potpomoći ostvarenje ambicije.Teoretski, moguće izbeći je, ali uspeh je i biti je svestan kod sebe.
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Manipulacija je dosta širok pojam ... nije isto kontinuirano emocionalno manipulirati i ucjenjivati blisku osobu i "malo pogurati" i "usmjeriti" neki poslovni aspekt. I namjera tu nije za odbaciti kao faktor, ali - naravno - kako ti kažeš: svjesnost o tome je presudna. A svjestan neće zloupotrebljavati taj "alat" jer razumije da prema zakonu akcije i reakcije sve ide u krug i razumije da je sve jedno pa neće drugome činiti ono što ne želi da drugi njemu čini.


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Manipulacija je dosta širok pojam ... nije isto kontinuirano emocionalno manipulirati i ucjenjivati blisku osobu i "malo pogurati" i "usmjeriti" neki poslovni aspekt. I namjera tu nije za odbaciti kao faktor, ali - naravno - kako ti kažeš: svjesnost o tome je presudna. A svjestan neće zloupotrebljavati taj "alat" jer razumije da prema zakonu akcije i reakcije sve ide u krug i razumije da je sve jedno pa neće drugome činiti ono što ne želi da drugi njemu čini.
Opet se vraćamo na 'tko sam ja ?' ...

Svjesnost ništa ne razumije nego ona je.
Um razumije ili ne razumije, on manipilura ili gura ...
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Tu se krećemo po vrlo skliskom terenu - tvrdnjama da je najbitnije živjeti čineći sve što nas veseli bez obzira na tuđe mišljenje otvara mnoga etička pitanja. Mislim da bi ovu poruku trebalo malo pojasniti jer ovako doista može značiti da je opravdano npr. uzeti sjekiru i raskoliti susjedu glavu ako me to veseli.

(Sad ću ja malo biti Bama pa reći da mi Teal često djeluje napušeno ili urokano s tim cerekanjem van konteksta. Nema naravno nikakve veze s onim što govori, niti to dvoje povezujem - samo konstatiram.)


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Tu se krećemo po vrlo skliskom terenu - tvrdnjama da je najbitnije živjeti čineći sve što nas veseli bez obzira na tuđe mišljenje otvara mnoga etička pitanja. Mislim da bi ovu poruku trebalo malo pojasniti jer ovako doista može značiti da je opravdano npr. uzeti sjekiru i raskoliti susjedu glavu ako me to veseli.

(Sad ću ja malo biti Bama pa reći da mi Teal često djeluje napušeno ili urokano s tim cerekanjem van konteksta. Nema naravno nikakve veze s onim što govori, niti to dvoje povezujem - samo konstatiram.)
Da, tu postoji jedan dodatak, a to je da nam zaista prija smo ono što je u skladu s našim višim sopstvom, a koje je okrenuto samo pozitivnom. Dakle, niko ne može biti zaista srećan dok radi ''negativne stvari''. Može neko sekirom udarati po glavama, ali neće od toga biti srećan, već to može raditi samo iz svoje nesreće.
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