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Nepročitano 18-02-13, 08:35   #21
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Evo nekidašnjeg primjera žene koja je svoje radno mjesto prepustila samohranoj majci sa dvoje djece.Kad sam rekla mužu da bi i ja to napravila da sam na mjestu te žene (koja živi sa roditeljima i čini se nema svoju obitelj), samo je rekao znam,znam .


Nedavno sam pomišljala na određenu žrtvu, da bih omogućila altruistično djelovanje prema jednoj osobi. Nisam bila sigurna u to.. i razgovarala sam o tome s prijateljem (onak, spametnim prijateljem :)). Ono što bi ta osoba dobila od mene bilo bi obojeno mojom žrtvom, to ne bi bio dar od srca.

Nije stvar u odricanju, žrtva kao jedna od značajki definicije samog altruizma mi se čini potpuno profulano. Djelujemo altruistično samo kada smo dovoljno svjesni da posjedujemo sve što nam je potrebno, odricanje od nečeg, žrtvovanje u tuđu korist može donijeti samo frustraciju.
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Da ne ispadne kak Lucy uživa pod lovorikama i zmišlja iz fotelje, ne...

Znate onaj posao oko kojeg sam se polomila i rasturila testiranej? Žena koja ga je dobila preko veze ima troje djece i moje altruistično djelovanje bi trebalo biti podržavajuće, je li tako?
E.. pa dotična je pobrala takvu jezikovu juhu od mene da joj još dan danas ni praf..

p.s. nije njena krivica, poanta je u mojem uvjerenju da nečeg nema dovoljno. :)
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Nedavno sam pomišljala na određenu žrtvu, da bih omogućila altruistično djelovanje prema jednoj osobi. Nisam bila sigurna u to.. i razgovarala sam o tome s prijateljem (onak, spametnim prijateljem :)). Ono što bi ta osoba dobila od mene bilo bi obojeno mojom žrtvom, to ne bi bio dar od srca.

Nije stvar u odricanju, žrtva kao jedna od značajki definicije samog altruizma mi se čini potpuno profulano. Djelujemo altruistično samo kada smo dovoljno svjesni da posjedujemo sve što nam je potrebno, odricanje od nečeg, žrtvovanje u tuđu korist može donijeti samo frustraciju.


Mada, ovakav stav ukida značenje altruizma. Razlika između štetne sebičnosti i altruizma je upravo u vrednovanju svojine. Onda kada bi nestalo vrednovanje koje služi trgovanju, tada altruizam postaje stanje koje nema alternative pa samim time pojam gubi identitet.
Znači, altruizam ima svoje značenje sve dok postoji drugačije.
Ja sam altruist jedino ako sam i sebičan.


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Mada, ovakav stav ukida značenje altruizma. Razlika između štetne sebičnosti i altruizma je upravo u vrednovanju svojine. Onda kada bi nestalo vrednovanje koje služi trgovanju, tada altruizam postaje stanje koje nema alternative pa samim time pojam gubi identitet.
Znači, altruizam ima svoje značenje sve dok postoji drugačije.
Ja sam altruist jedino ako sam i sebičan.
Koncept vrednovanja kao sredstvo interakcije (koju nazivaš trgovinom) je već treči koncept altruizma koji smo načeli na topicu.
Mislim da nije tako.
Vrednovanje koje je blisko vezano na prosuđivanje ne može biti odlika altruizma o kojem smo pričali, jer djeluje iz ne-svijesti. Čim postoji prosuđivnje, postoji uvjerenje da nečega nemamo dovoljno (koliko god djelovalo da smo u interakciji s drugima, radi se samo o zrcalu i o prosuđivanju nas samih).
Jako mi je zgodna zadnja rečenica, ali znaš i sam da je to samo igra riječi.
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