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Isus reče: 'Ja sam Put, i Istina, i Život - nitko ne dolazi k Ocu osim po meni.'
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OK, ovo nije odgovor na moja pitanja.

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OK, ovo nije odgovor na moja pitanja.

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Pakao je odsustvo Boga.. jer Bog je Ljubav.. dakle pakao je odsustvo Ljubavi..

Ako je jedini put ka Bogu Ocu, Isus Krist, onda se odgovor počinje ocrtavati sam po sebi..


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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možda bi rekao ovako nešto onima koji svojim neznanjem vode i druge u propast..

Jao vama, pismoznanci i farizeji! Licemjeri! Zaključavate kraljevstvo nebesko pred ljudima; sami ne ulazite, a ne date ući ni onima koji bi htjeli.

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Jao vama! Slijepe vođe! Govorite: 'Zakune li se tko Hramom, nije ništa. Ali ako se zakune hramskim zlatom, veže ga zakletva.' Budale i slijepci! Ta što je veće: zlato ili Hram što posvećuje zlato?

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Kad Isus vidje mnoštvo oko sebe, zapovjedi da se prijeđe prijeko. I pristupi jedan pismoznanac te mu reče: Učitelju, za tobom ću kamo god ti pošao. Kaže mu Isus: Lisice imaju jazbine i ptice nebeske gnijezda, a Sin Čovječji nema gdje bi glavu naslonio. Drugi mu od učenika reče: Gospodine, dopusti mi da prije odem i pokopam svoga oca. Isus mu kaže: Hajde za mnom i pusti neka mrtvi pokapaju svoje mrtve.
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Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Pakao je odsustvo Boga.. jer Bog je Ljubav.. dakle pakao je odsustvo Ljubavi..

Ako je jedini put ka Bogu Ocu, Isus Krist, onda se odgovor počinje ocrtavati sam po sebi..

Slažem se. Samo reci mi jedno: da li je riječ o načinu života, slijeđenju djela, uputa Isusovih (put) ili o obožavanju kulta ličnosti? Ne zaboravi 1. zapovijed.....




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Isus reče: 'Ja sam Put, i Istina, i Život - nitko ne dolazi k Ocu osim po meni.'
(Ivan 14:6)



možda bi rekao ovako nešto onima koji svojim neznanjem vode i druge u propast..

Jao vama, pismoznanci i farizeji! Licemjeri! Zaključavate kraljevstvo nebesko pred ljudima; sami ne ulazite, a ne date ući ni onima koji bi htjeli.

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Jao vama! Slijepe vođe! Govorite: 'Zakune li se tko Hramom, nije ništa. Ali ako se zakune hramskim zlatom, veže ga zakletva.' Budale i slijepci! Ta što je veće: zlato ili Hram što posvećuje zlato?
(Evanđelje po Mateju 23:13-17)

Mislila sam da se ovo odnosi na popove i one koji samouvjereno tumače SZ i NZ na način tako je i nikako drugačije (takvi su i osudili Isusa).
Ovo zadnje mi je slično današnjim običajima: možeš se zaklet na Boga....nikom ništa, ali ako staviš ruku na Bibliju onda te veže zakletva za koju kazneno odgovaraš.




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Pakao je odsustvo Boga.. jer Bog je Ljubav.. dakle pakao je odsustvo Ljubavi..

Ako je jedini put ka Bogu Ocu, Isus Krist, onda se odgovor počinje ocrtavati sam po sebi..
Slažem se s prvim dijelom, ali ne - i dalje to nije odgovor na moja pitanja.


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Kad Isus vidje mnoštvo oko sebe, zapovjedi da se prijeđe prijeko. I pristupi jedan pismoznanac te mu reče: Učitelju, za tobom ću kamo god ti pošao. Kaže mu Isus: Lisice imaju jazbine i ptice nebeske gnijezda, a Sin Čovječji nema gdje bi glavu naslonio. Drugi mu od učenika reče: Gospodine, dopusti mi da prije odem i pokopam svoga oca. Isus mu kaže: Hajde za mnom i pusti neka mrtvi pokapaju svoje mrtve.
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Ja ti ovo ništa ne razumijem, niti vidim kakve veze ima s 14 savjeta.

Kako mrtvi mogu pokapati mrtve?

Da li je želio time obezvrijediti pokojnike? Ili reći da tijelo nije uopće važno?
Ako je tako (a s time se načelno slažem) - čemu onda all that fuss oko pokopa, misa, rituali na grobovima, nadgrobni spomenici, crkvena groblja, uređivanje i šminkanje pokojnika, otvoreni lijesovi, karmine, pa onda ako nisi štajaznam katolik, nemereš bit pokopan na istom i ostale bedastoće kojima kršćani vjeruju?


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[quote=Jesam;393680]Ja ti ovo ništa ne razumijem, niti vidim kakve veze ima s 14 savjeta.

Kako mrtvi mogu pokapati mrtve?

Da li je želio time obezvrijediti pokojnike? Ili reći da tijelo nije uopće važno?
Ako je tako (a s time se načelno slažem) - čemu onda all that fuss oko pokopa, misa, rituali na grobovima, nadgrobni spomenici, crkvena groblja, uređivanje i šminkanje pokojnika, otvoreni lijesovi, karmine, pa onda ako nisi štajaznam katolik, nemereš bit pokopan na istom i ostale bedastoće kojima kršćani vjeruju?[/quote]


Krivnja. Odgojena sam pod jednom maximom: budi dobra živima, ne mrtvima.
I biznis. I to vrlo unosni.

No ja tumačim tu Isusovu rečenicu na način da onaj tko slijedi njegov put kod ljudi teško nalazi na razumijevanje, sigurnost...jato, osuđen je na samoću. "Pusti neka mrtvi pokapaju mrtve" - odricanje od njega zbog običaja.....uvijek nalazimo neki razlog zašto nije baš sada vrijeme da se predamo u potpunosti...ili ona stara dobra:"što će ljudi reći".




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