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gljive, kanabis, meditativna muzika, noc. vizije, spoznaje, komunikacija itd.

u jednom trenutku iskustvo se u potpunosti mijenja i cujem u glavi rijeci na latinskom. ton je izuzetno negativan, osjecaj zastrasujuc. znam sto je "bad trip", najcesce je manifestacija tamnog dijela podsvjesti u svijest. ovo je bilo sasvim drugacije, ovo je doslo van ja i ubacilo se u vezu izmedju ja i izvora kojeg poznam. shakiralo nam komunikaciju pocelo pokretat programe u meni.

tada je poceo kaos. mentalno svjestan i razuman, gledam sto se desava na tjelesnom planu. prvo su pocele oscilacije, izuzetno mi je vruce, izuzetno mi je hladno. trese me groznica. pod deku, vruce mi je. otvori prozor, hladno mi je. ruke ledene i osjecaj kao da iz njih netko isisava izuzetno veliku kolicinu energije. palim fen i pokusavam ugrijat ruke bez imalo uspjeha.
ubrzo nakon pocinju problemi s disanjem. sve teze mi je doc do daha i malo po malo disanje postaje sve plice. polagano dolazi do gusenja. gusenje je trajalo ukupno 10-15 minuta, iako je meni djelovalo da se radi o satima. bio sam otprilike kao riba van vode. shvatio sam kud to vodi i postao svjestan da cu umrijeti.
poceo sam razmisljati o bliznjima. zatim sam poceo razmisljati o tome kako ce to izgledati kad me nadju. vec vidim standardno objasnjenje, narkoman se predozirao.
i tako malo po malo gasi se zivot, a ja u mukama.
u jednom trenu pred sam kraj, iz potpunog ocaja uspijem na glas izgovoriti "boze pomozi mi.". mogucnost govora sam izgubio kad je pocelo gusenje. zacudilo me da sam uspio ista izgovoriti, a jos vise me zacudilo to sto sam rekao. ja i boze pomozi mi, otkud to?
nakon sto sam izgovorio tu recenicu gusenje se pocelo smanjivati. osicilacije vrucine i hladnoce takodjer. nakon toga sam zazvao "arkandjela Gavrila". i ponovo zbunjen, tko to prica iz mene, kakav Gavril? nakon toga se disanje malo po malo vratilo u normalu, a oscilacije su prestale. potpuno iscrpljen, lezem potrbuske na krevet.

tad su iz mene pocele teci rijeci, ili bolje receno kroz mene je pricano. o tome sto je bilo, o tome sto ce biti. to je trajalo 10tak minuta i iako su moja usta bila ta koja su pricala, ja sam bio taj koji je slusao. kad je i to zavrsilo, ustao sam, doteturao do frizidera, vratio se u sobu i pojeo.

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te iste ludosti sam radio vise puta prije doticnog slucaja, na isti nacin kao sto su to radili tradicionalni shamani. svaki put sam tome pristupao s postovanjem i s ciljem da bolje vidim sebe i svijet oko sebe.

prije svakog iskustva imam cijeli dan ciscenja sebe i prostora, vjezbam, okupam se, meditiram, radim yogu i postim.

gljive su psilocybe cubensis. doza je cca 5 susenih grama, vlastiti uzgoj. kanabis 2-3 jointa, cesto takodjer vlastiti uzgoj.

nakon gore qoutane procedure napravim caj od raznih ljekovitih biljaka. najcesce je to kombinacija majcina dusica, metvica, maticnjak, kadulja. stavljam deku na pod i pustam meditativnu muziku, playlistu za nekoliko sati. noc je vec pala. uz cokoladu sa velikim postotkom kakaa malo po malo zvacem gljivu po gljivu. cokolada je odlicna zato sto popravlja okus i odlicno se veze za gljive, moguce da ih i potencira. to traje 15tak minuta.
nakon toga motam jointove. zatim gasim svjetlo. cca 45 minuta nakon pocetka zvakanja pocinjem osjecati prve efekte. tad palim joint i pusim. kanabis potencira psilocybe.
nakon toga legnem na deku i zatvorim oci. kontakt se malo po malo pojacava i izvor se manifestira. zatim gledam i slusam sto ima za reci.
sat i nesto kasnije, kad kontakt pocinje slabiti, palim jos jedan joint.
opet se pojacava, a ja ponovo gledam i slusam.

sat, dva kasnije iskustvo se priblizava kraju. otvaram oci, palim svjetlo i radim rezime veceri. ponekad stavim na papir, ponekad ostane u mislima.
nakon toga pojedem neku laganu hranu i odem leci.
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Pazi da ne završiš kao Syd Barrett iz Pink Floyda.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/stories/sbarrett.htm

I reče Bog: 'Neka bude svod posred voda, da dijeli vode od voda!' I bi tako. Bog načini svod, i vode pod svodom odijeli od voda nad svodom.

Ako "vode" tumačimo kao energiju, onda je ova rečenica jasna jer govori o razdvajanju dvaju svjetova - vidljivog od nevidljivog. Stoga se ta dva svijeta u ovoj realnosti ljudskog života nikada neće spojiti niti se može prelaziti iz jednog u drugi.

Mnogi su pokušavali i eksperimentirali s psihodelicima ali na kraju nisu ništa postigli osim boljeg ili lošijeg tripa s većim ili manjim posljedicama.

Ograničeni smo prilikom stvaranja gdje nam je to onemogućeno (pali smo) i zato najčešće ovakvi pokušaji završe loše jer 'odvajanje' koje je Bog na početku osmislio, čovjek ne može ničime premostiti.


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Pazi da ne završiš kao Syd Barrett iz Pink Floyda.
pazim.

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znam da mislis drugacije, ali i dalje tvrdim shizophrenia - permanent demonic posession.

http://link.springer.com/article/10....943-012-9673-y
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/relig...unk-scientist/


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I reče Bog: 'Neka bude svod posred voda, da dijeli vode od voda!' I bi tako. Bog načini svod, i vode pod svodom odijeli od voda nad svodom.
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Ako "vode" tumačimo kao energiju, onda je ova rečenica jasna jer govori o razdvajanju dvaju svjetova - vidljivog od nevidljivog. Stoga se ta dva svijeta u ovoj realnosti ljudskog života nikada neće spojiti niti se može prelaziti iz jednog u drugi.
"My notion of what the psychedelic experience is, for us, that we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let our nets down into that sea. And what you're after is not some behemoth, that will tear through your nets, follow them and drag you in your little boat, you know, into the abyss, nor are what we're looking for a bunch of sardines that can slip through your net and disappear. Ideas like, "Have you ever noticed that your little finger exactly fits your nostril?", and stuff like that. What we are looking for are middle-size ideas, that are not so small that they are trivial, and not so large that they're incomprehensible. Middle-size ideas we can wrestle into our boat and take back to the folks on shore, and have fish dinner. And every one of us when we go into the psychedelic state, this is what we should be looking for. It's not for your elucidation, it's not part of your self-directed psychotherapy. You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is in danger by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness. And so to whatever degree any one of us can bring back a small piece of the picture and contribute it to the building of the new paradigm, then we participate in the redemption of the human spirit, and that after all is what it's really all about. " T. McKenna

"Cross state retention refers to the retention of the memory of the experience when crossing from one state of mind to another. Like for example, remembering a dream when we wake up i.e. when we cross from the dream world to the waking world. "


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Mnogi su pokušavali i eksperimentirali s psihodelicima ali na kraju nisu ništa postigli osim boljeg ili lošijeg tripa s većim ili manjim posljedicama.
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Ograničeni smo prilikom stvaranja gdje nam je to onemogućeno (pali smo) i zato najčešće ovakvi pokušaji završe loše jer 'odvajanje' koje je Bog na početku osmislio, čovjek ne može ničime premostiti.
covjek je pao i covjek moze ustati.

ovo sto si napisala mi djeluje kao:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
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covjek je pao i covjek moze ustati.

ovo sto si napisala mi djeluje kao:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Ma, moguće je sve. Nisam ti ja kockaste glave. Ako nešto i napišem, sve je podložno preispitivanju i prihvaćam kvalitetan protuargument.

Sve što pišem je samo posljedica mog osobnog iskustva i/ili znanja, spoznaje, uvida ... koje, kao i svačije tuđe, može biti sasvim pogrešno, pod utjecajem, iskrivljeno, subjektivno itd ...

Čak mi se više i dopada "tvoja" varijanta, ali trenutno sam u nekoj fazi preispitivanja i "prevrednovanja svih vrijednosti" ... sve okrećem naglavačke pa da vidim što će se desiti.


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Ma, moguće je sve. Nisam ti ja kockaste glave. Ako nešto i napišem, sve je podložno preispitivanju i prihvaćam kvalitetan protuargument.
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Sve što pišem je samo posljedica mog osobnog iskustva i/ili znanja, spoznaje, uvida ... koje, kao i svačije tuđe, može biti sasvim pogrešno, pod utjecajem, iskrivljeno, subjektivno itd ...
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Čak mi se više i dopada "tvoja" varijanta, ali trenutno sam u nekoj fazi preispitivanja i "prevrednovanja svih vrijednosti" ... sve okrećem naglavačke pa da vidim što će se desiti.
neka ti put do novih vrijednosti bude pun srece i u dobrom drustvu.
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znam da mislis drugacije, ali i dalje tvrdim shizophrenia - permanent demonic posession.

http://link.springer.com/article/10....943-012-9673-y
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/relig...unk-scientist/
Uzmimo da je tako - u tom slučaju, a što potvrđuju mnogi autori i duhovnjaci i materijali, kada je čovjek pod utjecajem psihodelika, gubi se naša prirodna obrambena moć protiv takvih entiteta pa postajemo lak plijen. Zato sam rekla da paziš.

Nije da nisam eksperimentirala, ali meni se nekako nije dopala upravo ta nemoć i gubitak kontrole ... a i nije mi se pokazalo nešto pretjerano učinkovitim, s tim da sam vidjela reakcije drugih (frendova) koje su bile drastične do te mjere da sam shvatila da se s time nije za igrati.

Eh sad - kad usporedim svoje reakcije s onim nekih drugih, onda se pitam - otkud takve drastične razlike? Ja sam to na prvu tumačila time da će reakcija ovisiti o tome što nosimo u podsvijesti, no moja je vrlo vjerojatno bila krcata svakakvim šitom s obzirom na život koji sam imala pa ipak mi je reakcija na psihodelike bila iznimno ugodna i blaga - sve mi je bilo lijepo i šareno i muzikalno i baš sam si bila jupiiiii , dok su drugi pokazivali čak i agresiju i autoagresiju i smrtni strah i svakakve simptome, onak baš grdo.


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Uzmimo da je tako - u tom slučaju, a što potvrđuju mnogi autori i duhovnjaci i materijali, kada je čovjek pod utjecajem psihodelika, gubi se naša prirodna obrambena moć protiv takvih entiteta pa postajemo lak plijen.
potpuno si u pravu.
unutarnja cistoca moze biti neka vrsta stita, postoje i tehnike zastite (koje su drugi isprobali), ali vece doze su uvijek jedna vrsta kocke.
"alea iacta est."


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Nije da nisam eksperimentirala, ali meni se nekako nije dopala upravo ta nemoć i gubitak kontrole ... a i nije mi se pokazalo nešto pretjerano učinkovitim, s tim da sam vidjela reakcije drugih (frendova) koje su bile drastične do te mjere da sam shvatila da se s time nije za igrati.
gubitak kontrole je poanta. pustis da te se vodi s velikim povjerenjem da je vodstvo dobronamjerno i sigurnoscu da ces na putu spoznati mnogo.
meni je bilo jako ucinkovito, bolji sam covjek zbog toga i zahvalan sam na tome. vidio sam puno toga sto sam skrivao sam od sebe. osvjestio sam dio podsvjesti.
ali kao sto vidis, jednom sam skoro umro.


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Eh sad - kad usporedim svoje reakcije s onim nekih drugih, onda se pitam - otkud takve drastične razlike? Ja sam to na prvu tumačila time da će reakcija ovisiti o tome što nosimo u podsvijesti, no moja je vrlo vjerojatno bila krcata svakakvim šitom s obzirom na život koji sam imala pa ipak mi je reakcija na psihodelike bila iznimno ugodna i blaga - sve mi je bilo lijepo i šareno i muzikalno i baš sam si bila jupiiiii , dok su drugi pokazivali čak i agresiju i autoagresiju i smrtni strah i svakakve simptome, onak baš grdo.
"The term psychedelic is derived from the Greek words ψυχή (psyche, "soul") and δηλοῦν (deloun, "to manifest"), translating to "mind-manifesting"".

mislim da se radi o srzi koja ispliva na povrsinu. tvoja je jezgra, makar bila obljepljena sitom, lijepa, sarena, muzikalna i jupi.
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