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Nepročitano 17-07-15, 15:37   #31
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Polazim od 'normalnog' partnerstva bez nasilja bilo koje vrste, psihopata...
i ako se slozim sa ovim citatom onda to 'spoznati sebe' kroz
partnera ( kao ucitelja, ogledalo) ne ide ruk-cuk, nego je proces a on zna biti ponekad i neugodan kada se ruse neka svoja uvjerenja, ocekivanja, bla, bla... i sve sto ide uz to.
Hmm..ne znam što smatraš nasiljem. Nasilje bi moglo biti svako djelovanje koje izaziva uznemirenost.


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Nepročitano 17-07-15, 15:57   #32
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Polazim od 'normalnog' partnerstva bez nasilja bilo koje vrste, psihopata...
i ako se slozim sa ovim citatom onda to 'spoznati sebe' kroz
partnera ( kao ucitelja, ogledalo) ne ide ruk-cuk, nego je proces a on zna biti ponekad i neugodan kada se ruse neka svoja uvjerenja, ocekivanja, bla, bla... i sve sto ide uz to.
To šti si opisala je upravo ruk-cuk.

Nasilje je vrlo rastezljiv pojam. Tako je i prisilno "osvještavanje" ili "spoznavanje sebe" svojevrsno nasilje.

Ne treba nam druga osoba da spoznamo sebe.


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Nepročitano 17-07-15, 17:16   #33
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To šti si opisala je upravo ruk-cuk.

Nasilje je vrlo rastezljiv pojam. Tako je i prisilno "osvještavanje" ili "spoznavanje sebe" svojevrsno nasilje.

Ne treba nam druga osoba da spoznamo sebe.
Ma cijela priča o samospoznaji je po mom mišljenju previše nabrijana.
Samospoznaja ne znači ništa više nego svjesnost o svojim vrlinama i manama. Imam dojam da ljudi misle kako će otkriti savršenstvo koje će u jednom mahu ukloniti sve postojeće i buduće probleme.

Vrline i mane isto kao i njihova spoznaja su samo latentni potencijali.
Manifestacija tih potencijala je sasvim druga priča.
Ja mogu razumijeti svoj problem ali to ne znači da sam ga razumijevanjem riješio. Mehanizam koji se navikao na rutinu određene akcije i reakcije traje sve dok se ne prekine direktnim djelovanjem na akciju i reakciju. Ne možeš očekivat da će spoznaja da si ovisnik o slatkom odjednom učinit te vitkim. Moraš djelovat (akcija) na uklanjanju slatkog sa menija i preoblikovat žudnju (reakcija) kad vidiš sliku predivnog kolača.


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Ma cijela priča o samospoznaji je po mom mišljenju previše nabrijana.
Samospoznaja ne znači ništa više nego svjesnost o svojim vrlinama i manama. Imam dojam da ljudi misle kako će otkriti savršenstvo koje će u jednom mahu ukloniti sve postojeće i buduće probleme.

Vrline i mane isto kao i njihova spoznaja su samo latentni potencijali.
Manifestacija tih potencijala je sasvim druga priča.
Ja mogu razumijeti svoj problem ali to ne znači da sam ga razumijevanjem riješio. Mehanizam koji se navikao na rutinu određene akcije i reakcije traje sve dok se ne prekine direktnim djelovanjem na akciju i reakciju. Ne možeš očekivat da će spoznaja da si ovisnik o slatkom odjednom učinit te vitkim. Moraš djelovat (akcija) na uklanjanju slatkog sa menija i preoblikovat žudnju (reakcija) kad vidiš sliku predivnog kolača.
Točno - ne mora značiti. Ovisi.

Ali ponekad se desi da se problem riješi sam od sebe kad shvatiš koji mu je uzrok, odnosno što leži u podlozi. Nema tu pravila ...

Nekad ti je sve jasno ko dan - teoretski. Al si praktično glup ko stup i sam se sebi čudiš.


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Točno - ne mora značiti. Ovisi.

Ali ponekad se desi da se problem riješi sam od sebe kad shvatiš koji mu je uzrok, odnosno što leži u podlozi. Nema tu pravila ...

Nekad ti je sve jasno ko dan - teoretski. Al si praktično glup ko stup i sam se sebi čudiš.
Ima i shema da se problem povuće a da ne shvatiš ništa.
Imam dva primjera toga iz vlastitog iskustva.

1. Kao dijete u jednom periodu sam imao velike bolove u nogama. Bio na pretragama i terapijama ali nitko nije znao zašto se to dešava. S vremenom, bol je nestala i nikad se više nije pojavila.

2. Par godina sam imao redovitu pojavu bronhitisa. Svake godine sam par mjeseci gušio se od suhog kašljanja. I odjednom je sve nestalo bez obzira što sam i dalje bio isti sjebani lik tj. svi moji problemi su ostali onakvi kakvi su i bili.


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Zato postoji partner koji ti pomogne problem uočiti i riješiti.












Čovik i magarac znaju više nego sam čovik !!!

Partner nije tu zbog tvojih problema već zbog tvojih vrlina. Da li će imat razumijevanja i strpljenja to je na njemu ovisno o njegovim vrlinama i manama.


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Partner nije tu zbog tvojih problema već zbog tvojih vrlina. Da li će imat razumijevanja i strpljenja to je na njemu ovisno o njegovim vrlinama i manama.
u suštini točno. Svi imamo svoje vrline i mane. Niko nije idalan ako uopće postoji idealna osoba.Ako sam nekoga izabrao za partnera ili ako sam izabran za partnera, hvala bogu da ću dati sve od sebe da mu pomognem jer je to jedino moralno. Nekaže se za džabe i u dobru i u zlu!
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Zato postoji partner koji ti pomogne problem uočiti i riješiti.
Partner ne bi smio biti psihoterapeut. Za to postoje plaćeni stručnjaci.
Ako nam partner služio kao alat, onda će na kraju završiti u ropotarnici - s ostalim alatima.


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Partner ne bi smio biti psihoterapeut. Za to postoje plaćeni stručnjaci.
Ako nam partner služio kao alat, onda će na kraju završiti u ropotarnici - s ostalim alatima.
Kome treba psihoterapeut u dvadesetim godinama kad je vrijeme da se traže životni parneri????
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