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Nepročitano 05-08-15, 17:34   #1
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Izgleda da Svijest postaje ucjena za idealno ponašanje koje će se svima svidjeti.

Osim što drugi dio rečenice sam po sebi ne drži vodu jer nema tog svetca kojeg nisu ocrnili ili razapeli, pitanje je čija je svijest vrijednija?
Vjerovatno ćemo više cijeniti svijest onoga koji voli djecu, ljude i životinje. Što ako ne voli? On je svijest koja je nesvjesna većine?

Naslov govori o osobnim idejama o svijesti koja se mora poklapat da bi bila prihvaćena. Ako nije prihvaćena onda postaje nesvjest.

To znači da možeš gledat čovjeka direktno u oči i reć mu da je on u nesvjesti. Jel to stvarno tako?


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Vidjet ćeš nekoga povrijeđenog ako misliš da si autoritet.
Ne znam što to znači.

Imam svoje mišljenje i svoj stav o tome i mogu argumentirati.

Hoće li se netko time osjetit povrijeđen nije moja odgovornost.

Da li to znači da sam autoritet? Tko o tome odlučuje i tko će to odrediti? Ja svakako za sebe neću tvrditi da sam autoritet ali ću itekako nastojati svoj stav izložiti i opravdati i približiti drugima pomoću svih dostupnih argumenata koje mogu naći.

Hoće li to nekoga izbaciti iz cipela?
Zasigurno hoće. Ali koga i zašto?

Suzdržavam se daljnjeg sudjelovanja dok se ne stvore uvjeti za kvalitetnu diskusiju.


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Super. Ali prije toga treba tvoju istinu podvrgnut ispitivanjima tj. vidjet što se u tebi dešava.


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Izgleda da Svijest postaje ucjena za idealno ponašanje koje će se svima svidjeti.

Osim što drugi dio rečenice sam po sebi ne drži vodu jer nema tog svetca kojeg nisu ocrnili ili razapeli, pitanje je čija je svijest vrijednija?
Vjerovatno ćemo više cijeniti svijest onoga koji voli djecu, ljude i životinje. Što ako ne voli? On je svijest koja je nesvjesna većine?

Naslov govori o osobnim idejama o svijesti koja se mora poklapat da bi bila prihvaćena. Ako nije prihvaćena onda postaje nesvjest.

To znači da možeš gledat čovjeka direktno u oči i reć mu da je on u nesvjesti. Jel to stvarno tako?
Nije mi baš najjasnije, ali ću pokušati iznijeti svoj stav.

Pošto smatram da smo svi isti, u nekom vrednosnom smislu, jednako mislim da je svaka svijest jednako vrijedna. Lično zna da mi bude iritantno kad neko sebe proglasi svjesnim za neke stvari kod drugih, a za istu stvar kod sebe djeluje nesvjesno. Ovim ne isključujem samu sebe, pa kad primijetim kod drugog, tražim kod sebe (što je rezultat neke moje životne filozofije).

Takođe mislim da nije dobro reći nekome da je u nesvijesti, iako sam baš danas to uradila, ali nije tema da objašnjavam zašto.

Isto to me je podsjetilo na Gurđijevog koji je tu nesvijest kod većine ljudi nazivao spavanjem, s obzirom da se ponašaju po nekim šablonima koji su im nametnuti. I tako provedu čitav svoj život...




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Vidiš povrijeđenu istinu onoga kome si sigurno nametnula svoju.
Dobro. Ajde mi sad reci kako ja mogu nekome nametnuti svoju istinu? I to još u virtualnom svijetu, bez fizičkog kontakta i mogućnosti bilo kakve fizičke prisile ili ucjene? Kako je to uopće moguće?

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Super. Ali prije toga treba tvoju istinu podvrgnut ispitivanjima tj. vidjet što se u tebi dešava.
Nemam ništa protiv - samo bez suvišnih emocionalnih ispada.
Što se u meni dešava ... bojim se da to spada u ovo soft područje koje nije predmet diskusije ako baratamo argumentima.

Što se u nama događa znamo samo mi i na svakome je da sebe preispita ako je prema sebi iskren i otvoren za nove spoznaje. To je dio našeg rasta i napredovanja.

Osim ako tema nije - Što se u meni dešava


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Pošto smatram da smo svi isti, u nekom vrednosnom smislu, jednako mislim da je svaka svijest jednako vrijedna.
Da li "isti" znači isto vrijedni?

Je li isto kada netko čuje glas da te treba ubit iste vrijednosti tebi?


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Mislim da je za tu famu "istosti" uvelike odgovoran New Age pokret (da ne kažem NABS) koji je tu prastaru ideju (osmišljenu u sasvim drugom kontekstu) iskrivio do neprepoznatljivosti pa je onda ljudi u želji da se prikazuju osvještenima, izgovaraju u svakom kontekstu, i gdje spada i gdje ne spada.

Ne, ne smatram se istom kao onaj koji ubija, kolje, vara, pljačka, uništava i zlostavlja. U ovoj fizičkoj stvarnosti, u 3D svijetu nismo svi isti, i to na svim mogućim razinama. Ako sam zbog toga u nečijim očima loša - so be it.

No, isto tako mi je jasna etiologija tog pojma, pa se o njemu može govoriti u filozofskom ili metafizičkom smislu.

Drugi je par rukava, da li treba osuđivati one koji su drugačiji ili manje osvješteni. No, da postoje oni koji su manje osvješteni je neoboriva činjenica.


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Da li "isti" znači isto vrijedni?

Je li isto kada netko čuje glas da te treba ubit iste vrijednosti tebi?
Svi smo isti u smislu: niko nije od nekog ni bolji, ni gori. Samo je u nekoj fazi svog ličnog razvoja, gdje ne bih ni koristila terminologiju dobar/loš. Posebno zato što ti pojmovi, zavisno od kulturnog miljea i slično, imaju različita značenja, recimo. Da ne idem sad u druge perspektive




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