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Nepročitano 22-09-15, 07:55   #51
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Ali kako će usvajati kad im za to država ne daje zeleno svjetlo-gdje je tu onda čista ljubav???ajd mi sad pojasni zato i jesam napisala sve što smo prolazili po pitanju posvajanja...zašto i dan danas ima toliko male djece koje čekaju svoje roditelje pa gdje je tu onda čista ljubav???
S tim se apsolutno slažem. Sustav kod nas ne funkcionira.

U vrijeme kad sam ja htjela posvojiti dijete, nije uopće postojala opcija posvajanja ako si samohrani roditelj - što je isto nonsens. Valjda je bolje da dijete odrasta u pravom domu s jednim roditeljem nego u ustanovi bez prave ljubavi.

Da ne kažem kako su udomljavali djevojčice zlostavljačima i silovateljima, pored svih psihotestova. Dakle - imala bih ja štošta za reći na tu temu.

No, tako je kako je. To je za neku drugu temu. Mogla bi otvoriti temu o posvajanju npr. pa da tamo raspravljamo o iskustvima i praksi.
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Rekla bih da to biće nije samo pristalo biti rođeno, nego je to i odlučilo. Da nije, ne bi se spustilo u ovu dimenziju.

Ma, popišam se ja na tu teoriju.

Ja sam cijeli život bijesna što me rodilo bez pristanka i ja osjećam da to nisam htjela. To je za mene stvarnost a da li sam tamo u nekim sferama dala pristanak i da li je ta teorija uopće istinita ili je samo NA bajka ... o tom potom.

Što vrijedi moj pristanak na sasvim drugoj razini svijesti??? To je čisto mučenje i sadizam. To je ko da prisiliš osobu u komi da potpiše pristanak za nešto dok toga nije svjesna i kad se probudi iz kome joj nabiješ dokument na nos?! Odbijam igrati tu igru - iskrcavam se iz karmičkog začaranog kruga - što god oni tamo gore misle!

Javit ću vam se razglednicom nakon što im po svim astrološkim aspektima spomenem sve članove familije kad dođem gore.
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prošlo je 10 god.od svega proživljenih situacija posvajanja idem malo u offf sad spoznala sam nakon seminara domanćića i rada na sebi da to što smo prošli treba ostaviti iza sebe i živjeti punim plućima.
Rado ću gledat temu posvajanja i vaše proživljene situacije,al to je to
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Ali kako će usvajati kad im za to država ne daje zeleno svjetlo-gdje je tu onda čista ljubav???ajd mi sad pojasni zato i jesam napisala sve što smo prolazili po pitanju posvajanja...zašto i dan danas ima toliko male djece koje čekaju svoje roditelje pa gdje je tu onda čista ljubav???
Kakve veze ima tvoja ljutnja zbog administrativne neučinkovitosti sustava , sa ženama koje ne žele djecu ( iako ih vjerojatno mogu imati)?????
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prošlo je 10 god.od svega proživljenih situacija posvajanja idem malo u offf sad spoznala sam nakon seminara domanćića i rada na sebi da to što smo prošli treba ostaviti iza sebe i živjeti punim plućima.
Rado ću gledat temu posvajanja i vaše proživljene situacije,al to je to
Ja nemam potrebe otvarati temu o posvajanju, tebi sam savjetovala da je otvoriš kad očigledno imaš potrebe ići u off s posvajanjem na drugim temama.
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Angry Možeš i trebaš, a ipak nećeš...

MOĆI imati, po SVIM pitanjima, a ipak ne željeti djecu, jest čin duboko sebične i neosviještene, prvenstveno ženske osobe.
Točka.

Ovo je moj osobni stav. Nemam ništa protiv drugog i drugačijeg mišljenja, ali ne podržavam ga jer se ne slažem s njim, duboko u svojoj nutrini.

Moje su misli i molitve upućene i takvima kako bi došlo do osvještenja i kako bi i takve osobe imale barem jedno dijete, željeno dijete.

Prvi onaj dodir s tek rođenom bebom, onaj miris bebe, ona savršena bezbrižnost, ona tišina, onaj plač i one snene oči, zijevanje, kosica, ručice,... - NEPROCJENJIVO!

Iskonska veza, dodir "krvi" - moći, a opet takvo što propustiti u ovozemaljskom životu i neomogućiti ostvarenje težnje života za samim sobom, i sve iz sebičnih razloga - zar to nije i (neoprostivi?) grijeh???

Statistike kažu da u Hrvatskoj ima preko 90% vjernika (ne znam točan podatak). S obzirom na extremno negativna demografska kretanja, rekao bih da su to uglavnom deklarativni, a ne stvarni vjernici.

Nije nas Isus baš tako učio, zar ne!

Doduše, On je na Zemlji bio davno, velikoj većini Njegove poruke su daleke i strane, blijede - trpiti i žrtvovati se za nekog, zbog nekog - no way!

Osobe koje se ne žele žrtvovati za novi život ni ne shvaćaju svu svoju poraznost - jer, da bi uopće mogle iskazati takav skoro nezamisliv stav, netko se jako, jako pobrinuo. I jako, jako žrtvovao...

To su (njihovi) roditelji.

No, očito je zov materijalizma i bestijalnog hedonizma jači.

Mislim da je sada svima jasno zašto pišem na ovoj, a ne na temi "Želim djecu!"...



Za vukove, Vuka, Vučicu, vučiće...


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Nije nas Isus baš tako učio, zar ne!
Isus?

Odakle, zaboga, ovo? Kakve veze Isus ima s ovime?

I na čemu se temelji pretpostavka da bi netko trebao živjeti prema njegovim učenjima?
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Gle Vuče... zašto govoriš u ime božje? Ok, tvoj stav, tvoje razmišljanje-tu stani. dalje od toga ne idi- time što govoriš da je to grijeh, prelaziš granicu.

ja ne vjerujem u Isusa. Ja vjerujem u boga koji prašta.

ja ne želim imati dijete zbog boga, niti ga želim neimati zbog istog.

bog je snaga koja me oplemenjuje, hrani, uzdiže a ne kažnjava. gurati boga u sve ovo je too much.


Da mi je bit plankton, pa da svitlin noću dok se oko mene kitovi koprcaju.



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No, očito je zov materijalizma i bestijalnog hedonizma jači.
Jako zanimljiv izbor riječi!

Nisu li životinje sputane nagonima, između ostaloga, i nagonom produljenja vrste? Životinje žive onako kako su živjeli njihovi preci tisućama godina.

Nije li poriv razmnožavanja pravi primjer bestijalnosti?

Nije li čovjeku dana viša svijest? Sposobnost kritičkog mišljenja? Nije li u redu u određenom trenutku zaključiti da želimo sami oblikovati vlastiti život, neovisno o tome kako ga oblikuju ljudi oko nas?

Nije li u redu upotrijebiti moć kritičkog mišljenja za pronalaženje smisla vlastitog života?

I nije li Isus poučavao: "Razmišljajte vlastitom glavom"?

(usput, izraz "bestijalni hedonizam" mi zvuči totalno slasno )
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No, očito je zov materijalizma i bestijalnog hedonizma jači.
Ako je išta bestijalno, onda je to nagon za prokreacijom.

Baš stvarno ne razumijem što je bestijalno u želji da se nemaju djeca. Još nisam vidjela zeca koji je svjesno donio odluku da nema podmladak.

Što se pak boga tiče, objasnila sam svoje viđenje kako bogu ne trebaju djeca jer nas je napravio tako da živimo u raju bez prokreacije - dakle, to je njegova prvotna želja.

Naš pad je uzrokovao "bestijalno" ponašanje i prokreaciju - ako se već tako razgovaramo.
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