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Nepročitano 26-08-14, 22:47   #1
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da li je tko primjetio koliko cesto ljudi sad koriste rijeci ne i nista u razgovoru, bez stvarne potrebe?
pocinjanje izjavnih recenica sa "ne,", zavrsavanje razgovora sa "nis" i "nista".
mislim da smo postali jako negativni prema svemu i da smo slabo svjesni toga. uvukla se negacija u jezik cak i tamo gdje afirmiramo. i mislim da gledamo jedni druge, mozda i sebe kao nista.

"bio sam na moru i i bilo je bas lijepo."
"ne, ja sam isto bio na moru."

"nis, vidimo se." "nista, dogovoreno." "nista, uzivaj."


ako tko ima volje nek proba izbaciti rijec "ne" u potpunosti iz upotrebe, u jeziku i pisanju. cak i kad je stav u suprotnosti od sugovornikovog, probajte ga izreci afirmacijom. zapanjit cete se koliko je to tesko i koliko duboko je program "ne" usadjen u ljudski kompjuter.

ljudski mozak funkcionira tako da vizualizira pojam koji cuje.
sto je prvo sto vam padne na pamet kad kazem "ne slon" ili "ne autobus"?
ta dva pojma, a tek nakon toga sve drugo.

kontinuirana vizualizacija je prvi korak prema kreaciji/materijalizaciji.
ako je gornja tvrdnja tocna, koji zakljucak se moze izvuci o "ne ubij", "ne sagrijesi bludno" i ostalim "ne" zapovjedima?
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Što je "ništa"?

Što leži iza Ništa?



Točka singularnosti ili točka negacije kao nepostojanje,ali potentia?

Tko zna.......


p.s. Pretočiti verbalni kaos u jasnu i afirmativnu rečenicu je i pokušaj postavljanja "dijagnoze" ili predstavljanje simptoma.

U psihoterapiji, muka je to za klijenta.


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Što je "ništa"?
prva laz.

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Što leži iza Ništa?
istina.

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"Well, it may be the devil or it may be the lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody." Bob Dylan


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Točka singularnosti ili točka negacije kao nepostojanje,ali potentia?

Tko zna.......
single/singular - 1.
jednostanicno bice diobom postaje dva jednostanicna bica i potencijalno sva ostala.
1+1=2 1+1+1=3 1+1+1+1=4...

0=laz. davanje materije necemu bez materije, izmisljotina.


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p.s. Pretočiti verbalni kaos u jasnu i afirmativnu rečenicu je i pokušaj postavljanja "dijagnoze" ili predstavljanje simptoma.

U psihoterapiji, muka je to za klijenta.
car je gol. suoci se s time.

i pruzi odgovor na koje od postavljenih pitanja. ovako, uglavnom trollas.


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Može li se Ništa razoriti?Možda je čisti čin (actus purus)?
pojam moze i to vrlo jednostavno. prestane se koristiti.
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Odlična tema. Milijun puta sam sebe ulovila upravo u tome kako u potpuno afirmativnoj rečenici nekoliko puta upotrijebim to famozno "ne". Ispravak je doista mukotrpan. Potrebno je biti stalno "budan" i svjestan, pažljivo birati riječi, pažljivo i promišljeno govoriti.
Mnogi mudraci su šutjeli. Stara je narodna: šutnja je zlato. U kršćanstvu je definicija izvora grijeha "mišlju, riječju, djelom i propustom".
Počela sam ozbiljno shvaćati moć riječi i zašto su se prosvjetljeni ljudi povlačili u osamu i šutnju, a ako su govorili bilo je kratko, jasno i afirmativno.




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kontinuirana vizualizacija je prvi korak prema kreaciji/materijalizaciji.
ako je gornja tvrdnja tocna, koji zakljucak se moze izvuci o "ne ubij", "ne sagrijesi bludno" i ostalim "ne" zapovjedima?


Uh. Krivi prijevod ili namjerno tako postavljeno?




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Proces osvještavanja uključuje velikim dijelom razumijevanje pojma prisutnosti u trenutku. Kada smo osvješteni i prisutni, tada obraćamo pozornost na naše riječi i sve što izgovaramo jer znamo kakav je njihov utjecaj na kreiranje vlastitog života i okolnosti života općenito.

'Ne', 'neću', 'ništa' i ostale negacije imaju veliku snagu koje mnogi ljudi nisu svjesni i tako čine veliku grešku.
Prvenstveno se to očituje već u odgoju djece: nemoj biti zločest!

A dijete (naša podsvijest) ne čuje negaciju nego samo ono "zločest", i onda se roditelji čude što im odgojne metode zakazuju i što se djeca ponašaju "baš onako kako su im rekli da ne smiju" (čudno!).

No, već smo zaključili da sve loše dolazi zbog neznanja i nerazumijevanja. Zato je edukacija toliko važna - ali ne ona gdje se napamet uče godine i imena povijesnih osoba, nego istinsko znanje, ono koje obogaćuje duh i vodi razumijevanju vlastite biti, vlastitog postojanja, ono koje vodi osvještavanju i prosvjetljenju.


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ako tko ima volje nek proba izbaciti rijec "ne" u potpunosti iz upotrebe, u jeziku i pisanju. cak i kad je stav u suprotnosti od sugovornikovog, probajte ga izreci afirmacijom. zapanjit cete se koliko je to tesko i koliko duboko je program "ne" usadjen u ljudski kompjuter.
Rekla bih da je to samo stvar navike. Kako stičemo loše navike, tako možemo steći i one dobre. Kad počnemo obraćati pozornost na to, onda je vrlo moguće, u relativno kratkom vremenu, početi koristiti drugačije formulacije u govoru i pisanju.

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ljudski mozak funkcionira tako da vizualizira pojam koji cuje.
sto je prvo sto vam padne na pamet kad kazem "ne slon" ili "ne autobus"?
ta dva pojma, a tek nakon toga sve drugo.
Prvo što mi je na pamet su upravo slon i autobus (ono "ne" podsvijest ne čuje i ne razumije).

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kontinuirana vizualizacija je prvi korak prema kreaciji/materijalizaciji.
ako je gornja tvrdnja tocna, koji zakljucak se moze izvuci o "ne ubij", "ne sagrijesi bludno" i ostalim "ne" zapovjedima?
Analogno ranije objašnjenom, i ovdje je prvo što podsvijest čuje: ubij!, kradi! ... sagriješi bludno! ...

Eh sad, pitanje je da li tu ima čega skrivenog u smislu namjere ili je naprosto napisano sa svrhom uputa za svjesni, racionalni um koji ipak vrši korekciju i može shvatiti uputu koja sadrži i negaciju, recimo tipa: ne prčkaj po utičnici dok je struja puštena.


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Analogno ranije objašnjenom, i ovdje je prvo što podsvijest čuje: ubij!, kradi! ... sagriješi bludno! ...

Eh sad, pitanje je da li tu ima čega skrivenog u smislu namjere ili je naprosto napisano sa svrhom uputa za svjesni, racionalni um koji ipak vrši korekciju i može shvatiti uputu koja sadrži i negaciju, recimo tipa: ne prčkaj po utičnici dok je struja puštena.

Mislim da je poanta u tome što negacija dugoročno donosi, a donosi prekomjernu upotrebu negacije, dakle negativne stavove, način razmišljanja, odraz na svakodnevni život, koji je naučen i ukorijenjen od najmlađe dobi. Podsvjest je vrlo neistraženo područje, vrlo moćno....a programiranje vrlo suptilno i naoko bezopasno.
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U nekom kontextu "ne" iskazuje obrambeni stav.
Npr., kad netko nepoznati priđe i pita (obično su to prodavači) nešto kao - jesi li za... odgovor je uglavnom gotovo automatski NE!
Pogotovo što u pošti u mom mjestu radnice moraju pitati i pitaju - trebate li bon za mobitel, itd nerjetko dožive neugodne ispade gdje su NE, NEĆU i NE ZANIMA ME gotovo glavni odgovori.


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U nekom kontextu "ne" iskazuje obrambeni stav.
Npr., kad netko nepoznati priđe i pita (obično su to prodavači) nešto kao - jesi li za... odgovor je uglavnom gotovo automatski NE!
Pogotovo što u pošti u mom mjestu radnice moraju pitati i pitaju - trebate li bon za mobitel, itd nerjetko dožive neugodne ispade gdje su NE, NEĆU i NE ZANIMA ME gotovo glavni odgovori.
Da, zanimljivo ... ja na takve ponude uvijek odgovaram sa smješkom i "hvala lijepo"! - u kojem i smješak i 'hvala lijepo' jasno i vrlo učinkovito (zbog popratne mimike i odrečne kretnje glavom) naglašavaju odricanje od ponuđenog.

Plus što ne vrijeđaju one koji su na neki način prinuđeni nuditi.


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