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Nepročitano 23-12-12, 04:23   #21
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Predlažem da se sustav zahvale prebaci u anonimnost. Imena u tom smislu određuju, često sebično, kamo će forum gledati.

Treba dat moć svima onima koji šute a koji su najbrojniji sudionici foruma.
Ovo sto pises, to ima dva aspekta, pa cu prvo rijesiti tehnicki aspekt:

Imas sistem reputacija, koji se moze podesiti da ne znas tko ti je dao reputaciju. Da bi nekome dao ili oduzeo reputaciju, koristis ovu ikonu koja se nalazi ispod avatara (pri dnu):

Prednost reputacije je ta sto mozes davati i negativnu reputaciju (ja sam ti dao negativnu reputaciju, cisto da vidis kako to izgleda tehnicki, a ti to mozes vidjeti u svom CPu, tj.: http://www.alternativa-forum.com/usercp.php

Kako je tocno podesen sistem reputacija, ne znam, ali moze se podesiti da je anoniman.

A sada idem na ono sto je meni interesantno, a to je sto zelis dati moc onima koji sute.

Ok, ne znam sto pametnog reci na takvu ideju. Prije svega, svi mi imamo moc koju sami sebi dajemo, ili pak koju si mi oduzimamo. Ljudi smo, nase je pravo da se borimo za ono sto zelimo, a ovce smo kada se ne borimo za to sto zelimo.

I sada, ako netko suti, kako mu ti to mislis dati moc, kada je se on dobrovoljno odrice? Jeste, znam ja jako puno ljudi koji se sami, dobrovoljno i bez icije prisile odricu prava na glas, prava na ovo, prava na ono, a uskoro ce se odreci i prava na zivot. Ali, to su oni sami uradili.

Dakle, nesto ovakvo dugo nisam procitao. Davanje moci onima koji sute. Da progovore, vidio bi da se njihov glas cuje. Ali oni sami sute. Neces ti njima dati nikakav glas, oni sami ce i dalje sutjeti, a ti ces imati dojam da si napisao nesto jako pametno.

Svi su valjda sretni i dalje, zar ne? Ti jer mislis kako si sada nesto pametno napisao, a oni koji sute, sretno ce sutjeti i dalje. Jer da zele govoriti, govorili bi i sami. Bez tebe koji im dajes moc.

Interesantno je to, kako neki ljudi svasta umisljaju. Vise bih vjerovao da kazes kako nijemima vracas moc govora, nego da ces dati moc onima koji sute.
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Meni je "zahvala "super :)

U zadnje vrijeme mi se nekak ne pise , ali pratim i nalazim stvarno na dobre postove s kojima se u potpunosti slazem ili su super napisani iako se ne moram slagati sa napisanime . I da ne pisem: odlican , slazem se itd.najlakse je staviti hvala. Jer drugo nemam sta dodati :)
Jedino kad me stvarno jako odusevi neciji post nesto nadodam jer sama zahvala nije dovoljna :)
tako i ja ne volim baš previše pisati, pogotovo, kad mi je to strani jezik - barem što se pisanja tiče, pa dok ja nešto složim više nema baš previše smisla
zato vas volim čitati i sa svakim klikom pokažem, da sam vidla post i pročitala ga a sa nekima se potpuno i slažem - sve je to u jednom kliku

a što se tiče reputacije i brojanja, neznam čega sve, ja to nikada ne gledam i ni malo me ne zanima, glavan mi je sadržaj
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znaci nis od pizze?
ni od pizze, ni od zeolita
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heheh.. zeolita sada imam hrpu.. samo u formi kamena..


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Nego da,rečenica "Nešto ti definitvno nadostaje" jest prosuđivanje. Otkud ti znaš da njoj nešto nedostaje? Po tome što ima svoj stil,način,običaje,značenja znakova koji se razlikuju od tvojih ili bilo čijih? Znači ti si mjerodavan da doneseš sud o tome jel nekome nešto fali ili ne. I ona tebi može reći čuj stari,tebi stvarno nešto fali u glavi na osnovu nečeg što njoj ne "sjeda" kod tebe. Da li bi to značilo da tebi nešto fali u glavi? Ako njoj nešto fali,njena stvar.Ako ti smetaju postovi,preskoči ili komentiraj sadržaj posta,a ne njezinog mozga.Ili prijavi post,s obrazloženjem.

Prosuđivanjem donosiš sud o vrijednosti druge osobe na osnovu svojih parametara. To je osobina ega-onog iz zone egotripa,da se razumijemo.Posljedica je neprihvaćanja različitosti.Kao šovinizam,nacizam ili neki drugi takav izam. Zanimljive su tvoje prosudbe,jer si s druge strane znao više puta navesti kako je najlakše,i pogrešno,ubojice i druge zločince samo prosuđivati,osuđivati i strpati u zatvor,treba ih razumijeti,njih i milje iz kojeg su nastali oni i zločini.

Kad bih ja sad napisala-čovječe,ma šta mi je trebalo ulaziti u ovu diskusiju,sad samo slijedi filozofiranje-to bi isto bilo prosuđivanje. Jer bih se stavila u poziciju u kojoj sam bolja od tebe,koji će "sigurno filozofirati",znači takav si i takav...znači JA sam pozvana da te kvalificiram.
Ako mi se ne sviđa dalje diskutirati,prestanem diskutirati,bez kvalifikacija. Pogotovo onakvih tipa recimo "ti ni sama sebe ne razumiješ",s kakvima sam se znala susresti.

Pis bradr!
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Ovo sto pises, to ima dva aspekta, pa cu prvo rijesiti tehnicki aspekt:

Imas sistem reputacija, koji se moze podesiti da ne znas tko ti je dao reputaciju. Da bi nekome dao ili oduzeo reputaciju, koristis ovu ikonu koja se nalazi ispod avatara (pri dnu):

Prednost reputacije je ta sto mozes davati i negativnu reputaciju (ja sam ti dao negativnu reputaciju, cisto da vidis kako to izgleda tehnicki, a ti to mozes vidjeti u svom CPu, tj.: http://www.alternativa-forum.com/usercp.php

Kako je tocno podesen sistem reputacija, ne znam, ali moze se podesiti da je anoniman.

A sada idem na ono sto je meni interesantno, a to je sto zelis dati moc onima koji sute.

Ok, ne znam sto pametnog reci na takvu ideju. Prije svega, svi mi imamo moc koju sami sebi dajemo, ili pak koju si mi oduzimamo. Ljudi smo, nase je pravo da se borimo za ono sto zelimo, a ovce smo kada se ne borimo za to sto zelimo.

I sada, ako netko suti, kako mu ti to mislis dati moc, kada je se on dobrovoljno odrice? Jeste, znam ja jako puno ljudi koji se sami, dobrovoljno i bez icije prisile odricu prava na glas, prava na ovo, prava na ono, a uskoro ce se odreci i prava na zivot. Ali, to su oni sami uradili.

Dakle, nesto ovakvo dugo nisam procitao. Davanje moci onima koji sute. Da progovore, vidio bi da se njihov glas cuje. Ali oni sami sute. Neces ti njima dati nikakav glas, oni sami ce i dalje sutjeti, a ti ces imati dojam da si napisao nesto jako pametno.

Svi su valjda sretni i dalje, zar ne? Ti jer mislis kako si sada nesto pametno napisao, a oni koji sute, sretno ce sutjeti i dalje. Jer da zele govoriti, govorili bi i sami. Bez tebe koji im dajes moc.

Interesantno je to, kako neki ljudi svasta umisljaju. Vise bih vjerovao da kazes kako nijemima vracas moc govora, nego da ces dati moc onima koji sute.
Za onaj prvi dio nisam znao (tamo gdje si mi dao negativnu ocjenu).

Poslije toga si nadrobio svakakvih čudnovatih stvari koje govore da slabo čitaš a i ono što si pričitao ti ne ide u korist.
Jesi kojim slučajem čuo da su glasanja za političku stranku il predsjednika anonimna?
Predrasuđujem da jesi.
Zašto se nisi pitao koji je tome razlog?

Vremenom i iskustvom po forumima vidim velike nedostatke u onom što sam na početku vidio kao prednost. Ako postoje ljudi koji povezuju uzrok i posljedicu i zbog toga se ne žele verbalno uplitat jer u tome ne vide smisao a sa druge strane podržavaju misli pojedinaca u nekim trenucima, onda je anonimnost bitna.
Kada stavljaš svoje ime onda se u umu druge osobe stvara odnos prema tebi s obzirom na tvoj odabir.
Ako nema imena onda onemogućuješ takve relacije i prisiljavaš da se pojedinac okrene prema sebi jer nema vanjski fokus. Nema ime i simbol kojeg će pretvorit u prijetnju.

Npr. kad vidim potpise tako blentavog i nepromišljenog posta, vodim borbu o tome da li su i potpisnici blentavi i nepromišljeni.


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