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Nepročitano 03-07-14, 08:55   #301
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Nepročitano 04-07-14, 19:23   #302
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A Cham - što tebe zapravo sprječava da svoj prijedlog provedeš u djelo?

Proaktivno sudjelovanje forumaša je to što tvori atmosferu i klimu nekog foruma.

Forum je tu zbog forumaša a ne zbog moderatora da se igraju s onima kojima se ne da sudjelovati niti puno angažirati.
Ja na nezgodan način to često činim u raspravama. Nekakav veći angažman u smislu otvaranja zanimljivih gledišta/tema mi trenutno nije privlačan zato što za takve stvari se pripremam, istražujem po netu, komentiram i pokušavam sve to spojiti u jednu cjelinu. Preozbiljno shvaćam takav zalogaj. Ali ako postoji atmosfera koja poručuje isključivost (npr. sve znanstveno je out) onda mi je trud uzaludan. Tu i tamo će netko stisnut zahvalu i ćao đaci.
Radije bih svoj rad uložio u svoj blog u takvom slučaju.
Forum je organizam koji se treba razvijati da se dobije ono što se želilo dobiti. Za to je potrebno vrijeme. Ako se ne razvija, propada.
Razvoj ovog foruma je predugo u stagnaciji zato što se ništa nije radilo protiv jednoumlja. Nije se stimulirao razvoj. Ravoj jedino dolazi u konstruktivnoj konfrontaciji. Bilo ih je u prošlosti i rasprave su bile vrlo zanimljive. Onda kada se žar počeo gasit, moderatori su trebali motivirat tj. dodavat teret na vagi da se održava ravnoteža. Ali ono što su činili moderatori je da uopće nisu brinuli o ravnoteži. Pustili su da se utone u san istomišljenika koji nemaju o čemu razgovarati.

Naš odnos, Jesam, voli-mrzi je potencijal. Ali se ipak moramo držati konkretnih podataka tj. nije dobro da se stvar svede na mamuti.
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A gle, jasno je meni sve to - no ponavljam, ni 100 moderatora ne može ništa napraviti ako nema sudjelovanja forumaša. Ne može nitko umjesto "tebe" napraviti domaću zadaću - kužiš?

Evo ti primjera na Ickeu - ja jedva čekam nekoga tko ima uvid u njegov rad da se konkretno razgovaramo - konkretno i argumentirano. Pljuckanje po nečijem liku nije kvalitetna rasprava. To je ko razgovor kumica na placu - joj si vidla kakvu grozotu je Štefa danas dela na glavu (pandan tvome: Ickea zanima samo novac)? Mislim, who gives a damn što netko ima na glavi?

Osim toga, konfrontiranje i oponiranje radi oponiranja, tek toliko da ne bude dosadno isto mi nije nešto.

Ne znači da vlada jednoumlje ako se svi lijepo i civilizirano razgovaraju i dijele mišljenje.

Uostalom, totalno oprečni stavovi su ionako nepomirljivi i nikad i nikako se neće spojiti pa je zapravo svaka diskusija među njima samo isprazno lamatanje egom.


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A gle, jasno je meni sve to - no ponavljam, ni 100 moderatora ne može ništa napraviti ako nema sudjelovanja forumaša. Ne može nitko umjesto "tebe" napraviti domaću zadaću - kužiš?
Forumaši su tu po slobodnom izboru. Ako mu se ne sviđa ode na drugi forum. Moderatori (po mom mišljenju) trebaju biti "kurve". Ne ovisiti o svojim sklonostima nego imat osjećaj za Big Picture i uletavati tamo gdje fali. To ne garantira uspjeh ali po mom mišljenju takvi moderatori su učinili sve u datim okolnostima.

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Evo ti primjera na Ickeu - ja jedva čekam nekoga tko ima uvid u njegov rad da se konkretno razgovaramo - konkretno i argumentirano. Pljuckanje po nečijem liku nije kvalitetna rasprava. To je ko razgovor kumica na placu - joj si vidla kakvu grozotu je Štefa danas dela na glavu (pandan tvome: Ickea zanima samo novac)? Mislim, who gives a damn što netko ima na glavi?
Ja jedva čekam da mi izvučeš neki njegov citat pa da me naučiš nećem o njemu.

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Osim toga, konfrontiranje i oponiranje radi oponiranja, tek toliko da ne bude dosadno isto mi nije nešto.
Treba tu vidjet kakav je slučaj. Ako čovjek stalno oponira a argumenti su redovito šuplji po principu zdravog razuma, onda to nema smisla.


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Ne znači da vlada jednoumlje ako se svi lijepo i civilizirano razgovaraju i dijele mišljenje.
Možemo zamisliti komunu u kojoj je kažnjivo necivilizirano ponašanje.
Jel to znači da svi članovi te komune jesu ono što jesu?


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Vjerovatno. Na forumima se ipak našla manjina koja je iz plodne sredine razvila fenomenalnu diskusiju. Tako obično nastaju remek dijela koja zatim povlače za sobom većinu.


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Jedna ptica ima pitanjce.
Nisam vidjela (a možda sam i mašila) temu o ženi i mjesečnici. Dugogodičnji forumaši, ima li gdje te teme? Ako ne, rado bih je otvorila.
Imamo lijepu temu o ženskosti koju je Tree otvorila, te smo na još nekoliko mjesta raspravljale o mjesečnici, ali je to više bilo off topic na srodnim temama.

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Nisam vidjela (a možda sam i mašila) temu o ženi i mjesečnici. Dugogodičnji forumaši, ima li gdje te teme? Ako ne, rado bih je otvorila.
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Forumaši su tu po slobodnom izboru. Ako mu se ne sviđa ode na drugi forum. Moderatori (po mom mišljenju) trebaju biti "kurve". Ne ovisiti o svojim sklonostima nego imat osjećaj za Big Picture i uletavati tamo gdje fali. To ne garantira uspjeh ali po mom mišljenju takvi moderatori su učinili sve u datim okolnostima.

Vjerovatno. Na forumima se ipak našla manjina koja je iz plodne sredine razvila fenomenalnu diskusiju. Tako obično nastaju remek dijela koja zatim povlače za sobom većinu.
Moguće da je problem u meni - nemam potrebu diskutirati niti uvjeravati ljude u nešto što sami ne žele ili ne mogu shvatiti. To mi je totalno bespotrebno - gubitak snage i vremena.

Jedino što još imam potrebu je braniti nepravedno napadnute.

Moguće da zbog toga nisam pogodan materijal za moderatora.


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Moguće da je problem u meni - nemam potrebu diskutirati niti uvjeravati ljude u nešto što sami ne žele ili ne mogu shvatiti. To mi je totalno bespotrebno - gubitak snage i vremena.

Jedino što još imam potrebu je braniti nepravedno napadnute.
U potpunosti se slažem

Ne kužim cam u čemu je problem, piši što hočeš, ali budi spreman i na suprotan pogled pogotovo na tematskom forumu ovoga tipa.

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