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Nepročitano 18-01-15, 14:28   #461
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He-he, zanimljiv je to fenomen. Svako toliko se ponavlja priča o psihoteroru ali činjenica je da su Uoove teme posjećene, žive i da ljudi u njima sudjeluju iz razloga u koje neću ulaziti jer mogu biti različiti.

No valjda kad ljudima dosadi činjenica da se Uoovo mišljenje ne može promijeniti onda pribjegnu optuživanju, umjesto da sebe izmaknu iz situacije koja im je neugodna ili neprihvatljiva.

Poštujem Uooa upravo zbog toga što drži svoj pravac i trudi se svojski pružiti dokaze i davati materijale za razmišljanje.
Iako se nužno ne slažem sa svakom njegovom, ipak mi je dao štofa za razmišljanje i proučavanje - a to je zapravo i poanta, zar ne?


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He-he, zanimljiv je to fenomen. Svako toliko se ponavlja priča o psihoteroru ali činjenica je da su Uoove teme posjećene, žive i da ljudi u njima sudjeluju iz razloga u koje neću ulaziti jer mogu biti različiti.

No valjda kad ljudima dosadi činjenica da se Uoovo mišljenje ne može promijeniti onda pribjegnu optuživanju, umjesto da sebe izmaknu iz situacije koja im je neugodna ili neprihvatljiva.

Poštujem Uooa upravo zbog toga što drži svoj pravac i trudi se svojski pružiti dokaze i davati materijale za razmišljanje.
Iako se nužno ne slažem sa svakom njegovom, ipak mi je dao štofa za razmišljanje i proučavanje - a to je zapravo i poanta, zar ne?
naravno pa necemo ga razapinjati
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Da, zapravo ni meni nije jasno. Kao učesnik foruma nitko nije dužan pratiti sve teme. Gledajte ove koje vas zanimaju, ako vas religija ne interesira zašto vas to toliko opterećuje. Forum je slobodan za sve, nikom nije zlo načinjeno.
Ja sam pisao općenito o svim temama.
Uoo ne piše samo na religiji.

Da li i za religiju vrijede pravila foruma ili ne ?

Nadalje nitko nema pravo nekome govoriti da će u pako kao što je uoo govorio redpillu. To je jednostavno teror i nasilje, a vi to opravdavajte kako hoćete.
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i sa tobom se slazem iako ja to dozivljavam kao osudjivanje koje je totalno svojstveno ljudskoj rasi a posto nam je uooo u susretu sa nekim hardkor entitetom
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Ja sam pisao općenito o svim temama.
Uoo ne piše samo na religiji.

Da li i za religiju vrijede pravila foruma ili ne ?

Nadalje nitko nema pravo nekome govoriti da će u pako kao što je uoo govorio redpillu. To je jednostavno teror i nasilje, a vi to opravdavajte kako hoćete.

Eh sad - to ti je slično ovome pokolju u Charlie Hebdo radi karikature Muhameda i prava novinara na vrijeđanje ili kako se to lijepo naziva "sloboda štampe i govora".

Mišljenja se naravno razilaze. Ja smatram da su dobili što su tražili i da je sumanuto tražiti pravo na vrijeđanje (WTF? ), ali ako ga i tražiš, onda moraš biti spreman na posljedice. Time ne opravdavam pokolj, da se razmemo, samo kažem kako stvari u tom slučaju stoje.

Međutim, ima i ovaj aspekt: ako si siguran u svoje stavove, onda te ništa ne može pokolebati niti uvrijediti (posebno ako nisi identificiran s egom), pa tako niti prijetnja paklom.

Smatram da je sve ovo izvanredno treniranje svjesnosti i nemam ništa protiv, iako i mene znade izbaciti iz cipela - no onda se zapitam: što sa mnom nije u redu i zašto me nešto toliko zasmetalo pa idem istraživati.


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Eh sad - to ti je slično ovome pokolju u Charlie Hebdo radi karikature Muhameda i prava novinara na vrijeđanje ili kako se to lijepo naziva "sloboda štampe i govora".

Mišljenja se naravno razilaze. Ja smatram da su dobili što su tražili i da je sumanuto tražiti pravo na vrijeđanje (WTF? ), ali ako ga i tražiš, onda moraš biti spreman na posljedice.
U Evropi, a i na jos nekim prostorima, smatra se prihvatljivim odredjen stepen vredjanja/ismevanja. S druge strane, u islamskom svetu, manje - vise, prorok Muhamed se smatra nedodirljivim, i taj stav se silom brani, silom s kojom trenutno nema mirnog dijaloga. To je sukob civilizacija, i da Evropa ne bi iritirala islamski svet, mora da se iz straha odrekne svojih navika. Podsmevanje nije narocito visoko stanje svesti, ali je surova sila jos nize.
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U Evropi, a i na jos nekim prostorima, smatra se prihvatljivim odredjen stepen vredjanja/ismevanja. S druge strane, u islamskom svetu, manje - vise, prorok Muhamed se smatra nedodirljivim, i taj stav se silom brani, silom s kojom trenutno nema mirnog dijaloga. To je sukob civilizacija, i da Evropa ne bi iritirala islamski svet, mora da se iz straha odrekne svojih navika. Podsmevanje nije narocito visoko stanje svesti, ali je surova sila jos nize.
Apsolutno, no nije li cilj, krovni princip, širenje ljubavi a ne govora mržnje?

Nije li licemjerno i suludo braniti i osuđivati govor mržnje a onda se boriti za pravo na vrijeđanje?

Ti isti novinari iz spornog lista bi se vjerujem isto našli povrijeđeni i ogorčeni kad bi netko vrijeđao, ismijavao i klevetao njihove vrhovne vrijednosti, koje god one bile (majka, otac, država, predsjednik, stranka ...), i sigurno bi tražili zadovoljštinu makar na sudu, a možda bi se netko i fizički krenuo obračunavati (ma kome ti mamicu!!! ..)

Pa onda kada znaš da je istok tako osjetljiv i kada znaš u kakvom je stanju svijet, i kada je evidentno da ćeš izazvati reakciju, i kada si svjestan da tvoja črčkarija neće izazvati dobro nego zlo ... ti to i dalje napraviš - eh, onda je pitanje na čijoj si platnoj listi.


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Eh sad - to ti je slično ovome pokolju u Charlie Hebdo radi karikature Muhameda i prava novinara na vrijeđanje ili kako se to lijepo naziva "sloboda štampe i govora".

Mišljenja se naravno razilaze. Ja smatram da su dobili što su tražili i da je sumanuto tražiti pravo na vrijeđanje (WTF? ), ali ako ga i tražiš, onda moraš biti spreman na posljedice. Time ne opravdavam pokolj, da se razmemo, samo kažem kako stvari u tom slučaju stoje.

Međutim, ima i ovaj aspekt: ako si siguran u svoje stavove, onda te ništa ne može pokolebati niti uvrijediti (posebno ako nisi identificiran s egom), pa tako niti prijetnja paklom.

Smatram da je sve ovo izvanredno treniranje svjesnosti i nemam ništa protiv, iako i mene znade izbaciti iz cipela - no onda se zapitam: što sa mnom nije u redu i zašto me nešto toliko zasmetalo pa idem istraživati.
Vrlo kršćanski.....
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Vrlo kršćanski.....
Kršćanstvo s tim nema veze. Govorim što je realno za očekivati. Zakon akcije i reakcije, uzroka i posljedica, osobna odgovornost za počinjena djela i ponašanje itd ... možemo formulirati na razne načine.

Nije kršćanski a bogami niti pristojno prema bontonu ni vrijeđanje i poruga u ime tzv. slobode govora.

Ako znaš da ćeš nekoga uvrijediti svojim činom ili riječima, i svejedno to namjerno učiniš - kako bi ti to nazvala i ocijenila?

Ja bih jednostavno rekla: dobio si što si tražio. Kršćanski ili ne.
Kada bi se tvojem djetetu netko u školi stalno rugao, izazivao ga, vrijeđao i mrcvario pa bi tvoj klinac nakon x vremena dotičnom prikeljio šamar - da li bi ti osudila njegovo ponašanje ili bi prvenstveno osudila zlostavljača?

Ako žena tijekom silovanja prebije ili ubije svog napadača, ti bi osudila nju zbog nekršćanskog čina ili bi prvenstveno rekla: dobio je što je tražio?
Baš me zanima. I ne - nije druga pjesma: nasilje je nasilje, bez obzira na formu.

I ponavljam: ne opravdavam pokolj niti nasilje ali to je druga priča. Sad govorimo o onima koji su izazvali reakciju.


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