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Nepročitano 19-01-15, 13:32   #471
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Kršćanstvo s tim nema veze. Govorim što je realno za očekivati. Zakon akcije i reakcije, uzroka i posljedica, osobna odgovornost za počinjena djela i ponašanje itd ... možemo formulirati na razne načine.

Nije kršćanski a bogami niti pristojno prema bontonu ni vrijeđanje i poruga u ime tzv. slobode govora.

Ako znaš da ćeš nekoga uvrijediti svojim činom ili riječima, i svejedno to namjerno učiniš - kako bi ti to nazvala i ocijenila?

Ja bih jednostavno rekla: dobio si što si tražio. Kršćanski ili ne.
Kada bi se tvojem djetetu netko u školi stalno rugao, izazivao ga, vrijeđao i mrcvario pa bi tvoj klinac nakon x vremena dotičnom prikeljio šamar - da li bi ti osudila njegovo ponašanje ili bi prvenstveno osudila zlostavljača?

Ako žena tijekom silovanja prebije ili ubije svog napadača, ti bi osudila nju zbog nekršćanskog čina ili bi prvenstveno rekla: dobio je što je tražio?
Baš me zanima. I ne - nije druga pjesma: nasilje je nasilje, bez obzira na formu.

I ponavljam: ne opravdavam pokolj niti nasilje ali to je druga priča. Sad govorimo o onima koji su izazvali reakciju.
Jel to na tragu : "Je suis Uoo!" , "Nous avons tous Uoo!"....?????
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Jel to na tragu : "Je suis Uoo!" , "Nous avons tous Uoo!"....?????
Ne vidim nikakvu sličnost s Uoovim stavovima. To sam samo ja - že svi Yesam! I oduvijek Yesam.

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Ne vidim nikakvu sličnost s Uoovim stavovima. To sam samo ja - že svi Yesam! I oduvijek Yesam.

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Nasilje je nasilje bez obzira na formu, slažem se.
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Nasilje je nasilje bez obzira na formu, slažem se.
Nisi mi odgovorila.


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Eh sad - to ti je slično ovome pokolju u Charlie Hebdo radi karikature Muhameda i prava novinara na vrijeđanje ili kako se to lijepo naziva "sloboda štampe i govora".

Mišljenja se naravno razilaze. Ja smatram da su dobili što su tražili i da je sumanuto tražiti pravo na vrijeđanje (WTF? ), ali ako ga i tražiš, onda moraš biti spreman na posljedice. Time ne opravdavam pokolj, da se razmemo, samo kažem kako stvari u tom slučaju stoje.

Međutim, ima i ovaj aspekt: ako si siguran u svoje stavove, onda te ništa ne može pokolebati niti uvrijediti (posebno ako nisi identificiran s egom), pa tako niti prijetnja paklom.

Smatram da je sve ovo izvanredno treniranje svjesnosti i nemam ništa protiv, iako i mene znade izbaciti iz cipela - no onda se zapitam: što sa mnom nije u redu i zašto me nešto toliko zasmetalo pa idem istraživati.
Osnovni problem je dehumanizacija koja dovodi do podjela, a kojoj su najzaslužnije religije.
Imali smo svetu inkviziciju, križarske ratove ...

Više o tome eventualno na prikladnim religijskim temama.
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Nisi mi odgovorila.
Prosudbe ponašanja drugih ljudi čine mnoge živote. Jedno je prosuđivati da li (iz tvog primjera )silovatelj zaslužuje da ga se namlati a sasvim nešto drugo djelovati i prebiti ga ko vola, bez prosuđivanja.

U primjeru sa vlastitim djetetom, isto. Svakoj majci je bitno da njezino dijete sačuva fizički integritet i kroz to sazrije emotivno i mentalno. To ne znači da drugom djetetu želi suprotno. Naprotiv.

I još jednom, ljudi koji su umrli u masakru u Parizu nisu zaslužili da umru, to je klasično pozivanje na krivicu, grijeh i prosuđivanje. Svako ljudsko biće je potrebno podržati da živi a ne da umre jer je krivo što je živo i grešno od rođenja.
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Prosudbe ponašanja drugih ljudi čine mnoge živote. Jedno je prosuđivati da li (iz tvog primjera )silovatelj zaslužuje da ga se namlati a sasvim nešto drugo djelovati i prebiti ga ko vola, bez prosuđivanja.
U ženi tijekom silovanja stvar u ruke preuzima instinkt preživljavanja u kombinaciji sa emocionalnim užasom. Reakcija će u takvim okolnostima vjerovatno biti korištenje svake šanse za bijegom. Ali ne bi bilo nikakvo čudo u takvim okolnostima da ga umlati na mrtvo ako bi se tako situacija posložila.
Ti na situaciju gledaš hladne glave i procjenjuješ odmjerenost žrtve a to je posve nerealna perspektiva. Radi se o strahu, panici, trenutku spašavanja života i tu je sve moguće.
Onaj tko ima kontrolu i uživa u njoj je silovatelj.


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2. Svaka tema mora imati dostojan uvod autora teme u pismenom obliku. Da li će to biti u kombinaciji sa videom ili ne, svejedno, ali bitno je da je pisani oblik baza a video je prilog.


Iako ima malo ljudi koji otvaraju teme, još će ih manje biti ako se svakom (uključujući mene) dozvoli da radi što hoće bez koristi samog foruma u svemu tome.
To je i dovelo do sadašnjeg životarenja nekadašnjeg živog foruma.
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P.s. Na forumu san od 2010. i otvorila sam do sada 10 tema (od toga 5 rođendanskih,šta se i ne bi u ovom slučaju moglo brojati)a ti ?...šta nisi izabra neku drugo,no ovu koja nikoga ne uznemiruje,,etc.sem je tebi bila neki okidač da se izjasniš da triba nešto minjati
Imaš i pritužbe i pohvale,i tamo si moga,a nisi ,već baš ovdi,,,u prirodi ...no dobro ...pokušati ću prije nečega nešto i napisat da ne bi svit razumia vezu i impulse prirode i mene ka autora teme ...koji radi šta hoče na uštrb živoga foruma..i su stavljali hvaliće otkad je tema otvorena,nitko do sada nije uputio kritiku i samokritiku poput ove.
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