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Nepročitano 04-08-15, 18:31   #661
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A kakve veze uopšte ima koliko ko ima postova i gdje je nabio taj broj??? Šta sad ovim hoćeš da kažeš???
Samo da i ovo pojasnim. Ovo ima veze s namjenom foruma i to sam spomenula u kontekstu toga da je osnovna namjena ovog foruma alternativa, odnosno sve alternativne grane i diskusije u okviru tog područja ljudske djelatnosti a nije mu osnovni cilj biti chat-room, pa se shodno svojoj osnovnoj i primarnoj misiji i viziji treba i moderirati i vođeni tom mišlju se trebamo i ophoditi u temama.

Da je ovo pričaonica, onda je u redu da se ležerno brblja i "uvažava svačije mišljenje", ali u specifičnim i konkretnim stvarima se treba argumentirati. Postoje definicije i točno se zna što je što - nema se tu što nagađati. Jedno je nečiji osjećaj, emocija, a drugo su činjenice.

U brbljaonici baš i ne sudjelujem niti kome popujem što treba misliti, ali kad se radi o stvarima koje su mi jasne, poznate i neupitne, onda se zalažem za argumentiranje.


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Ako ne smijem izraziti svoje mišljenje bez da se netko naduri, onda se ne trebam ni razgovarati. Mislim da vrlo pažljivo biram riječi i ne vrijeđam nikoga, a ako se netko nađe uvrijeđen samim time što iznosim svoj suprotan stav ... pa stvarno ...
Ovo nije iznošenje stava, već objašnjavanje pojma nekome ko taj pojam ne razumije. Kad dam definiciju geometrijskog niza, to nije moja definicija, niti je to moj stav, to je definicija.

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Nije to baš tako. Jako je jednostavna definicija.
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Ovo bi spadalo u lošu komunikaciju ali ne i vrijeđanje...

Vrijeđanje bi bilo da je rekao: ti glupa kozo sotonistička, šta ti pojma imaš o bilo čemu, idi se liječi, sigurno ti ni roditelji nisu pametni, a ni vi svi ovdje na forumu nemate pojma ... itd ... Vidiš razliku?
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Da je ovo pričaonica, onda je u redu da se ležerno brblja i "uvažava svačije mišljenje", ali u specifičnim i konkretnim stvarima se treba argumentirati. Postoje definicije i točno se zna što je što - nema se tu što nagađati. Jedno je nečiji osjećaj, emocija, a drugo su činjenice.
Niti sam se nadurila, a niti uvrijedila. Kad izneseš stav, ja ga uvažim, definicija je nešto drugo. Ti si svoj stav proglasila definicijom, na to sam odgovorila. Ako to ne shvataš, onda ne shvataš ni da si nepažljiva, što je meni čudno s obzirom na tvoje godine iskustva (ova rečenica je moj stav)

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I dalje mislim da je izrazito važno kako se nekome obratiš, ne samo formalno i da je izrazito važno uvažiti nečiji doživljaj. Već si rekla da se s ovim ne slažeš i to je sasvim ok.
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Gdje sam ja to rekla?
Evo ovdje, na vrlo grub način

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Ali, ovaj dio što je lucero citirala, jer je original editovan, pa kasnije u tvojoj i mojoj razmjeni mišljenja na istoj temi.

Ne bih da kvalifikujem ovu tvoju i moju raspravu, a pravo da ti kažem, ne vidim da ima svrhe. I dalje ću te cijeniti kao nekoga ko piše korisne postove, onda kad postaš korisne informacije ili pišeš na pozitivan način, nevezano za tvoje stavove s kojima se ne slažem. Jednako tako ću odgovoriti onda kad mi nešto zasmeta, gdje mislim da nisi korektna, ako smatram da za to ima potrebe, kao i do sad




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Ovo nije iznošenje stava, već objašnjavanje pojma nekome ko taj pojam ne razumije. Kad dam definiciju geometrijskog niza, to nije moja definicija, niti je to moj stav, to je definicija.
To je tvoj doživljaj a ne moja namjera niti činjenica.

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Evo ovdje, na vrlo grub način

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Ovo je zahtijevalo takav pristup - objasnila sam i zašto (što ti ne uvažavaš pa mi se čini da je ipak točna ona da čovjek uvijek na drugome vidi ono što mu i samome nedostaje). Vidiš da se čovjek nije uvrijedio i da su ga upravo ti malo grublji postovi potaknuli na razmišljanje. Čovjek nema problema s egom. Nekad je udarac nogom u dupe najveći izraz ljubavi.

Ne tražim da se svi slažu sa mnom. Dapače, zabrinula bih se kada bi to bio slučaj.


Zaista se moram držati komunikacije s muškarcima. Toliko je lakša.
S obzirom da sam se cijeli život uglavnom i družila s muškima, onda je moguće i da mi je način komunikacije prilagođen više muškom umu i profilu pa nisam toliko suptilna u razgovoru nego više izravna - što na umu, to na drumu, nisam sklona cifranju niti mi se sviđaju ljudi koji cifraju. Ja to zovem njojnji-njonji, iliti wishy-washy.

Eto, to je moj stav, kom dobro kom nije - po volji mu.


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već sam rekla da ne bih da kvalifikujem ovu raspravu, pri čemu sam mislila da ne bih da kvalifikujem tebe, ostavljajući NAM mogućnost da se ne razumijemo ili da griješimo. Međutim, pod velom naivnosti i dobronamjernosti si napisala šta si napisala u posljednjem postu (a zapravo udovoljavajući svojoj potrebi da moraš biti u pravu), pa ću sad otvoreno i direktno tebi dati svoj sud o tebi i time završiti ovu prepisku.

Potvrdila si svojim odgovorima samo da je Molder u pravu, što se tebe tiče. Na žalost.

Svoje logičke omaške u komunikaciji navodno ne vidiš, čak i onda kad ti se pokaže. Nego izvrneš tome značenje ili se postaviš da ne razumiješ. To su osobine manipulatora, pri čemu obavezno daš kvalifikacije o nekim ljudima, ne čak ni direktne osobi s kojom razgovaraš, kako bi izgledalo da si fer ili da te to samo potaklo na nešto.

Istovremeno na taj način pokazuješ neznanje/zloupotrebu logike, psihologije, semantike, retorike i sl., ali, s obzirom da su ljudi uglavnom manje informisani od tebe, pristaješ na to svojim nastupima, radije nego da ne budeš u pravu, sem kad je toliko očigledno da ne možeš da se izvučeš jezičkim namještaljkama. I računaš na to da neće znati riječima da ti pariraju

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što ti ne uvažavaš
Ne uvažavam sebičnost i nasilje, ali ne sporim da i otuda može proizići neka korist, kao i iz bilo čega drugog.

Ti jesi odraz onoga što sam ja mogla da postanem da sam nastavila podilaziti svom egu prije 20 godina i, vjerovatno, neki tračak neosviještenog ega koji je u meni ostao i to znam od moje prve komunikacije sa tobom ovdje na temi AIH. A ti se ponašaš kao ego manijak, vješto podmećući svojim sagovornicima svoju nesvijest. Ni najmanje se iskreno ne pitajući zašto ti toliko različitih ljudi godinama govore istu stvar (aludiram na Molderove izjave i ostalih sa foruma). U najbolju ruku ćeš naći razloge poput: ah, to je žena, pa zato, ah, muškarcima smeta što sam jaka žena, ah, ovaj je ovakav ili onakav i slično.

Dakle, odavno nisam naišla na nekoga ko je toliko nesvjestan nekih svojih motiva, a toliko zna, po svom mišljenju, pri čemu vjerujem da se iz petnih žila trudiš pomagati ljudima i da ti je osnovni motiv pomaganje drugima. Dok ti neko ne ospori način komunikacije. Onda ti humani motivi padaju u vodu.

Slobodna si, kao i uvijek, da ovo kvalifikuješ kako god hoćeš ili ne kvalifikuješ, u prošlom postu sam rekla moj stav prema tebi ubuduće.




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