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Nepročitano 05-08-15, 17:19   #681
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Otvori temu i opiši slučaj. Podržat ću te ako prosudim po priloženom da su te sjebali. :)
Nevidim razlog za otvaranje teme. Ne treba mi podrska, nego eto ja moram pazit sto radim, a oni ne. Inzistiram da ga se smjesta cim dodju moderatori javno opomene kao sto se mene opomenuli, a slika je inace postana na temi "zanima me" gdje je i bio sukob, neznam dal stoje tamo postovi vise jer sam stavio pola foruma na ignore listu, da se ne sukobljavam vise sa njima. I onda eto mora puknut jos jedan podjeb

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Nepročitano 05-08-15, 17:46   #682
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Kad smo već na komunikaciji, smatram da je jedan od ozbiljnih propusta našeg školskog programa i nepostojanje predmeta "Debatiranje" u kojem bi se mlade ljude učilo kulturi, načinu i metodama zdravog debatiranja.

Alternativa forum je načelno podijeljena tematski na razna alternativna područja, od zdravlja do metafizike - i to joj je osnovna misija, "raison d'etre", i onda ima Brbljaonica s ležernim, manje ozbiljnim temama, koju ja načelno izbjegavam jer me to ne zanima niti imam vremena za "small-talk".

U glavnom "sektoru" foruma su dakle teme na kojima se ljude ili o čemu informira, prenosi neko znanje i iskustvo ili u kojima se vode rasprave/debate na zadanu temu. Osnova debatiranja je argumentiranje a ne osobni dojam ili emocija.

U debati se tumači, obrazlaže i prosuđuje na osnovi istinitih činjenica i dokaza (argumenata). To je vid "dvoboja". Kao dokazi i potvrde mišljenja iznose se navodi/citati, dokumenti, statistički podaci, općeprihvaćene činjenice, spoznaje i vrijednosni sudovi.

Rasprava se često pokreće oko neke postavljene teze ili tvrdnje, pa se sudionici odlučuju za ili protiv obrazlažući i argumentirajući svoje mišljenje.

Debati je cilj da sudionici u sukobu/konfliktu svojih mišljenja i stavova pokušaju riješiti problem, odgovoriti na pitanje. Dakle, nikakvom uvažavanju niti podilaženju tu nije mjesto (primjer s druge, vrlo ozbiljne, teme gdje forumaš tvrdi da je isključivo istina ono što se nalazi u njegovom mikrosvijetu i ono što on ima prilike vidjeti na par primjera iz vlastite okoline - jel to zaista spada u ozbiljnu argumentaciju o ozbiljnom problemu???)

Kako u debati obično postoji voditelj koji vodi debatu, tako bi to na forumu trebao biti moderator koji bi aktivno a ne retroaktivno moderirao, te u realnom vremenu isključivao one koji su nepristojni ili se ne drže pravila dobrog debatiranja.

Da se rasprave ne bi pretvorile u neproduktivne svađe, treba znati sudjelovati u njoj, tj. diskutirati. Svatko tko je raspravljač treba poštivati pravila rasprave. Kod diskusije se traži kritičnost prema sebi i drugima, pristojnost i korektnost. Uvijek treba postojati afirmacijska (za) i negacijska (protiv) grupa/skupina. I tu također nema mjesta povrijeđenom egu.

Dakle, u raspravama treba maknuti na stranu ego i držati se teme. Prihvaćanje ili "uvažavanje" tuđeg suprotstavljenog stava u raspravi/debati je besmisleno i neproduktivno jer tu svaka rasprava staje i postaje izlišna. To se može raditi u brbljaonici.

To što se netko nađe povrijeđen nad nadmoćnim argumentom ili nema municije za protuargument ... so sorry. Tako se kale diskutanti. Vlastita nemoć da se nešto argumentira nije razlog za durenje i napadanje protivnika i optuživanje da je ovaj egocentričan ili ima problema.

I sad - opet će se naći netko tko će reći da educiram ... a ja se držim pravila dobrog debatiranja: izložila sam tezu, prezentirala argumente, navela konkretne definicije ... tko ima konkretne protuargumente, dobro su došli. Ali durenje i obrecanje i optuživanje umjesto argumentiranja nažalost ne uvažavam, pa da se netko i na glavu postavi.


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Evo molderu, koliko se ja sjećam ti si poludio jer su ti drugi na kulturan način savjetovali kako bolje fotografirati, ali to ti ne daje za pravo da vrijeđaš ljude zbog toga jer ti je pun kufer njihovog "pametovanja", svako je slobodan da piše na forumu što želi i koliko želi dok god je prihvatljivo... bar tako ispada u zadnje vrijeme.
Čitam cijelo vrijeme postove ljudi koji su ti na meti i to što su aktivni ne znači da ih se ima pravo vrijeđati jer oni ne vrijeđaju, za razliku od tebe.

Sinkeova provokacija je obrisana kao i tvoji neki postovi.

Politika moderature je blaga zato neke stvari tako ispadaju, a i ne možemo cijelo vrijeme biti prisutne.

Ja osobno ne bih išla vrijeđat nekog zato jer možda ima više informacija od mene, pogotovo ako mi to ne piše na uvredljiv način.


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Evo molderu, koliko se ja sjećam ti si poludio jer su ti drugi na kulturan način savjetovali kako bolje fotografirati, ali to ti ne daje za pravo da vrijeđaš ljude zbog toga jer ti je pun kufer njihovog "pametovanja", svako je slobodan da piše na forumu što želi i koliko želi dok god je prihvatljivo... bar tako ispada u zadnje vrijeme.
Čitam cijelo vrijeme postove ljudi koji su ti na meti i to što su aktivni ne znači da ih se ima pravo vrijeđati jer oni ne vrijeđaju, za razliku od tebe.

Sinkeova provokacija je obrisana kao i tvoji neki postovi.

Politika moderature je blaga zato neke stvari tako ispadaju, a i ne možemo cijelo vrijeme biti prisutne.

Ja osobno ne bih išla vrijeđat nekog zato jer možda ima više informacija od mene, pogotovo ako mi to ne piše na uvredljiv način.
Sumnjam na upravo ovaj đir...zato i kažem ako imaš šta reći izjasni se na temi.

Isto kao što se ja moram izjasnit da bih bio kreativan sa lakiranim noktićima dotične moderatorice.


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Ne, nego su me izvrjedjali ko konja, a savjet za bolje fotografiranje nisam dobio NI JEDAN
I citaj te njihove postove malo bolje, pogotovo od jesam, pa ces vidjet da je izvrjedjala najmanje 90% clanova na forumu, vjerovatno i tebe, samo memi nije jasno kako si vi svi to dopustate ili kako vi uopce be skuzite svi da vas neko vrjedja, ja steram nekog u K, ali ne vrjedjam dok netko ne izvrjedja mene.
Moje uvrede nisu toliko teske kao njihove, jedino sto ja kad nekog izvrjedjam, onda se zna da sam izvrjedjao jerbo se izrazavam kako TREBA, znaci govorim direktno. Ne proracunavam kako cu to moc poslije izokrenut I NE MODIFICIRAM POST 150 PUTA

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Ne, nego su me izvrjedjali ko konja, a savjet za bolje fotografiranje nisam dobio NI JEDAN
I citaj te njihove postove malo bolje, pogotovo od jesam, pa ces vidjet da je izvrjedjala najmanje 90% clanova na forumu, vjerovatno i tebe, samo memi nije jasno kako si vi svi to dopustate ili kako vi uopce be skuzite svi da vas neko vrjedja, ja steram nekog u K, ali ne vrjedjam dok netko ne izvrjedja mene.
Moje uvrede nisu toliko teske kao njihove, jedino sto ja kad nekog izvrjedjam, onda se zna da sam izvrjedjao jerbo se izrazavam kako TREBA, znaci govorim direktno. Ne proracunavam kako cu to moc poslije izokrenut I NE MODIFICIRAM POST 150 PUTA

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Izašli su i tvoji stari bjesovi ovih dana van. Što god da smo napravile nije ti odgovaralo.

Naglasak je na kulturnoj komunikaciji koja tebi u zadnje vrijeme neide.

Ja se osobno ne osjećam uvrijeđenom od strane Jesam i s jedne strane se i slažem s njom.


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Izašli su i tvoji stari bjesovi ovih dana van. Što god da smo napravile nije ti odgovaralo.

Naglasak je na kulturnoj komunikaciji koja tebi u zadnje vrijeme neide.

Ja se osobno ne osjećam uvrijeđenom od strane Jesam i s jedne strane se i slažem s njom.
Ja kazem kako treba, a ona izvrjedja sve tako da ne kaze ni jednu prodru rijec. Pa ti razmisli ko je paksu ko postenjak

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