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Link na kojem možete skinuti sve studije od Dr. Onifadea i još neke vezane za crni kim i HIV:

pojedinačno:
google disk folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WZlNTM0cndPcG8

u raru, potrebno instalirati winrar ili 7zip:
mediafire rar: https://www.mediafire.com/?0dfnqgff3mcw74o
google disk rar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_4...k3YXVLODA/view
dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7h4lgaeu9j...20KIM.rar?dl=0

Fakat mi nisi jasan... čemu pokušaj tolikog dokazivanja da kim djeluje na HIV virus? , toliko si napisao postova...

Šta , možda prodaješ kim ( kao i piramide )...

Neznam , ako već postoji BESPLATNA terapija u Hrvatskoj koja djeluje ( ja sam dokaz tome, a i znam par ljudi koji primaju terapiju par godina i žive normalno) , jedino moraš otići svakih 3-6 mjeseci u Fran Mihaljević u Zg ( a i to ti plati HZZO ), čemu onda tolika priča oko kima?!?

Ne kažem da kim ne djeluje ,a trenutna terapija je provjerena...

Ponukan tvojim postovima, bojim se da će neko preći na "zdravi" kim, ostaviti terapiju i imati velikih problema ...

Mislim da bi drugačije razmišljao da stvarno imaš problem sa zdravljem...
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Mozda je kim nekom pomogao, ali to ne znaci da je on carobni stapic koji leci od hiv-a. A vec sam jednom pomenula slucaj nekolicine zarazenih, koji se, (uplaseni pricama kako se u stvari ne umire od hiv-a, nego od lekova) nisu lecili pa su u vrlo teskom stanju dovezeni na infektivnu kliniku. A na netu se moze naci obilje sajtova posvecenim teorijama zavere, gde se moze procitati bas to - virus hiv ne postoji, ne umire se od hiv-a nego od lekova, to im dodje poput mantre. Na kraju dana, svako bira za sebe, da li ce se leciti ili ne, i kako ce se leciti, ali nista ne treba prihvatiti zdravo za gotovo.

Dario, da li si mozda pokusao sa tzv novom medicinom? Licno verujem u tu granu medicine, deluje mi logicno, samo je tu problem sto nemaju svi mogucnsot da se na taj nacin lece.
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Fakat mi nisi jasan... čemu pokušaj tolikog dokazivanja da kim djeluje na HIV virus? , toliko si napisao postova...

Šta , možda prodaješ kim ( kao i piramide )...

Neznam , ako već postoji BESPLATNA terapija u Hrvatskoj koja djeluje ( ja sam dokaz tome, a i znam par ljudi koji primaju terapiju par godina i žive normalno) , jedino moraš otići svakih 3-6 mjeseci u Fran Mihaljević u Zg ( a i to ti plati HZZO ), čemu onda tolika priča oko kima?!?

Ne kažem da kim ne djeluje ,a trenutna terapija je provjerena...

Ponukan tvojim postovima, bojim se da će neko preći na "zdravi" kim, ostaviti terapiju i imati velikih problema ...

Mislim da bi drugačije razmišljao da stvarno imaš problem sa zdravljem...
Krivo si shvatio:

Preporuča se uzimati crni kim i arv terapiju zajedno jer nema interakcije između ta dva lijeka i zato jer crni kim poništava negativne efekte inhibitora proteaze i smanjuje proupalne citokine. Npr. http://m.ebm.sagepub.com/content/234/4/442.short i http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/Y09-014

Zatim ne znam kako možeš usporediti cjeloživotnu svakodnevnu toksičnu terapiju koja te nikada potpuno ne izliječi sa mogučnošću da se izliječiš jednom za svagda u par mjeseci. Istina, jako je teško ponoviti rezultate nigerijskih studija u razvijenom svijetu no imamo par slučajeva. Mislim da nemože štetiti da osoba ostane na ARV terapiji i proba tokom tih 4 do 6 mjeseci piti taj kim. Ako izliječi od hiva super ako ne jbg tu su uvijek lijekovi. Jedini je problem što bi za konačnu potvrdu izlječenja trebalo neko vrijeme prestati piti lijekove da se vidi da li VL ponovno raste. A i to nije neki veliki problem.

Ne prodajem kim a i kim je relativno jeftin i lako dostupan. Osobno sam koristim kim svakodnevno u smoothiju. Preporučam kupiti kvalitetniji skuplji kim jer dokazano jeftini kim ne djeluje. Barem ne ovaj koji sam preporučio prijatelju koji je iz sirije. Možda bolje probati egipatski.


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Update 01.09.2016

"Mary from Brooklyn update: In a phone call last week, Mary told me she decided to go off all HIV drugs on August 28th to find out once and for all if the virus has been eradicated. This could take a few months. She also said she will be looking for a different doctor should the virus return and becomes detectable again. Presently, she tests negative for the HIV antibody tests, PCR tests, P24 Antigen test and the RNA test. She also has an unheard of normal CD4/ CD8 ratio. We will report future results when they become available."


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Update 05.02.2017.

"This is an update from last year. In a phone call on Jan 23rd, I was told she had discontinued all prescribed meds and all other self help remedies including the black seed, and the high daily dose of vitamin D starting Oct 1, 2016. In Nov, about 6 weeks after discontinuing all treatments for HIV, she stated her viral load remained undetectable, p24 antigen negative and the finger prick test for HIV antibodies (elisa/western blot) also non-reactive. Her CD4's were at 820, CD8 at 342 and CD4/CD8 ratio at 2.4. We are awaiting to hear from Mary about a recent test to see if this HIV - status is maintained or if the virus has re-emerged from hiding. This test result is crucial in determining whether or not total viral eradication has or has not occurred. Future updates will be posted when available."


“Ne vjeruj zato što je to mudrac rekao, ne vjeruj zato što je to uobičajeno mišljenje, ne vjeruj zato što je to zapisano, ne vjeruj zato što netko drugi to vjeruje, nego prosudi istinu i nakon što ju pažljivo ispitaš i raščlaniš i uvidiš da će svima činiti dobro, živi u skladu s njom i pomozi drugima da čine isto. – Buda



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