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Nepročitano 16-05-14, 07:01   #11
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Možda sam zabrijala. Koliko god racionalizirala, priznajem da sam iskusila trenutke dubokog zanosa, možda i šoka uslijed nekih naglih promjena - može to prouzročiti svakakve mentalne črčkarije koje nam djeluju stvarno.

Zdrava skepsa može samo biti korisna.
Gdje je granica 'zdrave' i 'nezdrave' skepse?

U energetskom, vibracijskom i mentalnom smislu - kako skepsa utječe na nas?


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Gdje je granica 'zdrave' i 'nezdrave' skepse?

U energetskom, vibracijskom i mentalnom smislu - kako skepsa utječe na nas?
Mene skepsa motivira da postavljam pitanja. I onda tražim odgovore.

Slijepo vjerovanje, šareni i lijepi flasteri su uvijek ugodniji i ljepši od skepticizma, ali uz njih nezaobilazno ide stagnacija.


Razlika između zdrave i nezdrave skepse? Neznam, zbilja. :)
Vjerujem da je nezdrava kada ostane jedina opcija, ali kada je jedna od alternativa smatram je izuzetno poželjnom i korisnom.
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osjecaji nastaju u podrucju sakralne cakre i salju impulse u mozak.
lets talk about sex.

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osjecaji nastaju u podrucju sakralne cakre i salju impulse u mozak.
lets talk about sex.

Kako ćemo sada to spojiti na nastanak osjećaja u umu?

Mislim da osjećaj ne može nastati izvan mozga, tj. nevezan za kognitivne procese, ali vjerujem da saznanje poput ovog koje si naveo može imati važnost pri formiranju same interpretacije emocije i stvaranja osjećaja.
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Kako ćemo sada to spojiti na nastanak osjećaja u umu?

Mislim da osjećaj ne može nastati izvan mozga, tj. nevezan za kognitivne procese, ali vjerujem da saznanje poput ovog koje si naveo može imati važnost pri formiranju same interpretacije emocije i stvaranja osjećaja.
idemo odozdo prema odozgo.

da li ti se ikad desilo da osjetis neku vibru kod ljudi, koja ti je intelektualno zbunjujuca? znas da je netko dobar ili los bez upotrijebe intelekta. jednostavno osjetis, intuitivno.

taj osjecaj se posalje u mozak i mozak ga onda pokusava intelektualno dokuciti. zasto ja osjecam to sto osjecam? zbunjen(a) sam i svejedno siguran(a) da je osjecaj tocan.

smislenije mi je da se osjet posalje u osjetilni dio mozga koji to obradjuje i salje dalje po drugim predjelima mozga.

i dalje mi fale neki cvrsti argumenti, ali eto, i ovo moze posluziti.
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idemo odozdo prema odozgo.

da li ti se ikad desilo da osjetis neku vibru kod ljudi, koja ti je intelektualno zbunjujuca? znas da je netko dobar ili los bez upotrijebe intelekta. jednostavno osjetis, intuitivno.

taj osjecaj se posalje u mozak i mozak ga onda pokusava intelektualno dokuciti. zasto ja osjecam to sto osjecam? zbunjen(a) sam i svejedno siguran(a) da je osjecaj tocan.

smislenije mi je da se osjet posalje u osjetilni dio mozga koji to obradjuje i salje dalje po drugim predjelima mozga.

i dalje mi fale neki cvrsti argumenti, ali eto, i ovo moze posluziti.
Naravno da mi se to dogodilo.
I rekla bih da se radi o srcu kojim "osjećam" ljude.

Pa ipak je proces drugačiji. Ljudi ili događaji u nama pobuđuju reakciju, a ta reakcija je emocija. Kratkotrajna i intenzivna.
U nastojanju da definira emociju i da joj značenje, mozak stvara svoju interpretaciju, odnosno osjećaj.

A stvara ga potpuno individualno, na temelju naših misli, iskustva, trenutne situacije, a vjerojatno i na temelju više čimbenika, obzirom da je ljudski um slabo istražen.

Jedno je ziher... osjećaji ne nastaju u srcu, ali je "stanje srca" jedan od segmenata koji utjecu na formiranje osjećaja.
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Osjećaji i emocije nisu jedno te isto jer njima ne upravljaju jednaki neurološki sustavi.
Emocija je naša reakcija na podražaj, obično kratkotrajna i intenzivna, a za sobom povlači niz fizioloških promjena koje se odvijaju u mozgu i tijelu.

Mozak nastoji imenovati fiziološke promjene nastale uslijed pojave emocija i stvara osjećaj. Osjećaj je, zapravo, samo umna interpretacija emocije i nastaje na temelju naših želja, navika, iskustava, vjere...
Znači, umna interpretacija koja je potpuno subjektivna.

Slažem se da um interpretacijom daje karakter emociji (ili osjećaju?).
Ali što je onda emocija? Ako se ne temelji na iskustvima, navikama i željama na čemu se temelji?
Ima li emocija karakter? Trebala bi imat jer um mora imat neke identifikacijske parametre po kojima bi ju zamjetio i na temelju njih krenuo sa kvalifikacijom.

Ako je emocija reakcija na podražaj, na koji način podražaj određuje intezitet emocionalne reakcije?


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Slažem se da um interpretacijom daje karakter emociji (ili osjećaju?).
Ali što je onda emocija? Ako se ne temelji na iskustvima, navikama i željama na čemu se temelji?
Ima li emocija karakter? Trebala bi imat jer um mora imat neke identifikacijske parametre po kojima bi ju zamjetio i na temelju njih krenuo sa kvalifikacijom.

Ako je emocija reakcija na podražaj, na koji način podražaj određuje intezitet emocionalne reakcije?
Ne znam.

Ja bih rekla da je emocija autentična reakcija našeg bića, utemeljena na instinktu i nagonu. Prate je fiziološke promjene i na pojavu same emocije nemamo utjecaja - ona će se pojaviti.

Može je potaknuti vanjski podražaj, ali i unutarnji. Tricky part je u tome što je može potaknuti osjećaj (koji sam po sebi može biti kriva interpretacija prethodne emocije) i držati nas godinama u zabludi.
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Osjecaj nastaje u mozgu ali ne izdvojeno , sam, kao posljedica misli,
nego kao dozivljaj necega gdje se istivremeno na jednoj strani mozga
aktivira kognitivna komponenta a na drugoj emocionalna . I one su povezane medusobno.
Dakle , nema emocije bez misli niti obrnuto. To su najnovija saznanja neurobiologije. Ima dobrih predavanja na tu temu prof. Gerald Hüther.

Pa znate i sami , ako radite na sebi , neki podsvjesni konflikt biva rijesen tek kada prateci osjecaj dodjemo i do pripadajuce misli ili
suprotno , krenes od misli i dodjes do emocije.


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