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Nepročitano 19-07-14, 13:05   #21
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Ne znam.

Ja bih rekla da je emocija autentična reakcija našeg bića, utemeljena na instinktu i nagonu. Prate je fiziološke promjene i na pojavu same emocije nemamo utjecaja - ona će se pojaviti.

Može je potaknuti vanjski podražaj, ali i unutarnji. Tricky part je u tome što je može potaknuti osjećaj (koji sam po sebi može biti kriva interpretacija prethodne emocije) i držati nas godinama u zabludi.
Potpuno krivo, a u slijedećem postu pišem i zašto.
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Pazite na svoje misli jer one postaju riječi;
Pazite na svoje riječi jer one postaju djela;
Pazite na svoje djela jer ona postaju navike;
Pazite na svoje navike jer one postaju karakterom;
Pazite na svoj karakter jer on postaje vašom sudbinom.

~ Mahatma Gandhi
Meher Baba je, govoreći o Gandhiju, rekao da će u slijedećem životu ispaštati - da je učinio loše stvari prema svojim učenicima i sljedbenicima.
I nije bio daleko od istine.
Svaka emocija - iako tu prave, danas, jasnu distinkciju - je u vezi sa osjetom tj. ticalom, pa izvorno sa instinktom biologije preživljavanja - kroz suočenje sa gromom ili vatrom kao nepoznatim došlo je i do definiranja naše egzistencijalnosti, osjećaja da jesam i postojim, karakterističnoga za svaku jedinku ponaosob.
U tome i jeste problem, jer to se može jedino živjeti a ne nametnuti drugima, pogotovo ne kao skup moralnih i umnih pravila.
Misli onda dolaze tek posljedično, da bi svaki naredni put definirale neko iskustvo kao manje-više poznato ili potpuno poznato i potpuno nepoznato.
Osjeti ili ticala, jer se uvijek samo jednoga imanentno tiču, su spona našega ja sa okolnim svijetom - ako okolni svijet iščezne spona uvijek mora postojati jer prema njoj ja određuje sebe kao ja - Mooji je to negdje lijepo objasnio, rekavši da ga ponekad nema, ali da kada ga ima, da je uvijek to njegovo ja koje se određuje prema svijesti.
Aha, znači umjesto spoljašnjega svijeta ipak je ostalo nešto prema čemu osjet ili ticalo postoje u mome ja, a to je svijest.
To je posebno vidljivo u načinu reagiranja na instinktivnu opasnost, kada je naše postojanje ugroženo - hrana, fizička prisila, duhovni ili emocionalni ili umni pritisak - uvijek se postavljamo prema izazovu, u najboljoj tj. najoptimalnijoj varijanti, kao ljudsko biće, a ako ne kao prijespomenuto, onda se makar postavljamo kao ja - i tu sve priče o bogovima, anđelima, rajevima, paklovima, guru-učenik konceptima, tehnikama iscjeljenja padaju u vodu...
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Priznajem da sam mijenjala naslov iz "Osjećaji nastaju u umu" u upitnu rečenicu.

Što se tiče polja neuroznanosti, sve skupa se ipak svodi na istraživanje. Do sada još nisu otkrili kako nastaje misao, a sam misaoni proces je bitan za formiranje osjećaja.

Kada bi se zasigurno znalo da je to zbilja tako, zamisli koje bi bile mogućnosti za samoizlječenje bolesti poput depresije.
Jako interesantna tema.Depresija NIJE BOLEST VEC SLOZENI PSIHOLOSKI POREMECAJ koji se NE LECI vec ISPRAVLJA odredjenom psihoterapijom. Lekovi su samo dodatna sredstva. Na zalost osoba sama NE MOZE ISPRAVITI POREMECAJ osim ako ne uvidi greske u svojem ponasanju koje su i dovele do poremecaja.
pre svega naglasicu da emocija jeste osecaj!!!!
Medjutim neko od nas drugacije dozivljava poj.ove emocije i osecaja.
SVAKI osecaj koji trenutno imamo JESTE EMOCIJA!
emocija ne predstavlja samo one osnovne tipske emocije kao sto je strah ili panika, vec svaki osecaj koji imamo u trenutku. Mnoge emocije nije moguce lako opisati zbog svoje slozenosti.
Misaoni proces je druga stvar. Usled nekih misli mozemo imati aktivaciju odredjenih emocija ili suprotno, usled odredjenih emocija mozemo poceti misliti na tu temu koju nam emocija pokazuje direktno ili indirektno.
svako culo koje imamo moze nam usled dogadjaja ili nadrazaja aktivirati emociju. Milovanje, muzika, zalazak sunca, prelep miris cveta, ukusno jelo. Naravno sva cula se mogu kombinovati u vidjenju dogadjaja i nasem razumevanju istih pa je zbog toga osecaj odnosno emocija toliko raznovrsna. Ukoliko ukljucimo misli tada to nije osecaj vec proces koji kontrolisemo, dok emo ije KONTROLISU NAS. Posledica evolucije. Ako nas neko napadne emocija straha i panicnog bezanja nam moze SPASITI ZIVOT. Ako u smrtnoj opasnosti pocnemo misliti ponekad moze biti prekasno! Emocija straha nas tada obihvata, i ili nas koci ili nas tera da bezimo, zavisno od toga sta je potrebno.
pokusavam da objasnim obicnim jezikom koji je razumljiv.

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Depresija može također biti uzrokovana nečim vrlo banalnim ali vrlo čestim u današnje vrijeme a to je kroničan nedostatak D vitamina.


Znači, samo suplementacija D vitaminom može doslovno izliječiti depresiju.


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Depresija može također biti uzrokovana nečim vrlo banalnim ali vrlo čestim u današnje vrijeme a to je kroničan nedostatak D vitamina.


Znači, samo suplementacija D vitaminom može doslovno izliječiti depresiju.
Zanima me Jesam,kolika doza D vitamina je bezbedna ili poželjna?
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Mora se nesto razjasniti :
postoje mentalne bolesti i mentalni poremecaji.
poremecaji su razni. Klasifikacija nije toliko dobra ali savremena psihijatrija nije predaleko otisla u poslednja dva veka, osim sto se ne koristi elektrosok kao metoda. Vezivanje je i dalje prisutno. To da se shvati koliko nepoznanica ima. Ja pokusavam da objasnim NAJJEDNOSTAVNIJE ako vidim potencijalne greske.
anksiozni poremecaj je kada osoba iz NEPOZNATOG razliga ima jedinstveni osecaj (emocija) nepoznate, tajanstvene tuge -pretnje. NIKAKO ne i nekakve strane misli ili halucinacije, jer to je psihoza, da ne ulazim u obj.
Depresija je POREMECAJ U PONASANJU A NE POSLEDICA niti psiholoskog niti somatskog niti fizioloskog uzroka!
razjasnicu :
na primer ako neko izgubi volhenu osobu, npr dete, ili izgubi svu imovinu u pozaru ili ima tesku bolest, NORMALNO je da ce biti TUZAN A NE RADOSTAN!!! U suprotnom bio bi NENORMALAN.
Medjutim, ako osoba iz opravdanih razloga zbog kojih tuguje, pocne MENJATI SVOJE NAVIKE, POGLEDE NA ZIVOT I SVEUKUPNO POCNE GUBITI NORMALAN ZIVOT to vise nije opravdano vec POREMECENO ponasanje, i postaje poremecaj koji se naziva Depresija!
primer.: svi znamo cak i za masovne depresije kratkotrajnog toka kao kada izbije rat ili cak kada neki sportski tim ispadne sa velikog takmicenja, kao fudbalski tim brazila 2016. Ali to je masovni poremecaj kao i masovna histerija, i ubrzo nestaje jer nestaju razlozi za odrzanje istih. Ali ako neko PREVISE promeni ponasanje i NAMERNO ili indukovano (pod uticajem) nastavi sa odbijanjem vracanja u normalno ponasanje, tada je doslo do poremecaja -depresije.
previse je oblika, uzroka i nivoa depresija -(smrt bliskih, gubitak posla, licna ili bolest bliskih, opste ili licne nesrece, katastrofe i tragedije i jos mnogo toga, ljubavne nevolje kod mladih na primer) .

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Da zakljucim : depresija NIJE osecaj, bol, nesvestica vec POREMECENO PONASANJE. Ne poremeceno vidjenje realnosti, vec pogresno (poremeceno) ponasanje usled realnih dogadjaja, i depresija se NE LECI (nije bolest) NITI SE ELIMINISU UZROCI U REALNOM OKRUZENJU (ne mozemo promeniti stvarnost) vec se depresija eliminise tako sto OSOBA SKORO UVEK UZ TUDJU POMOC PRESTAJE SA POGRESNIM PONASANJEM!
ako se poremeceno ponasanje nastavi ono UVEK vodi ka sve vecim greskama u ponasanju (izolacija od drustva, menjanje navika i slicno) sve do suicida u najtezim oblicima. Najgore je sto osoba TESKO moze da uvidi svoje greske jer inace ne bi ni upala u kolo poremecaja. Pomoc najbolje pruza blisko okruzenje koje poznaje osobu i njene ranije navike, pa je moze vratiti u normalu. Problem je kada je osoba usamljena ili odbija kontakt, uz vreme koje definitivno igra veliku ulogu. STO JE DUGOTRAJNIJI POREMECAJ, TEZE JE VRATITI SE U NORMALU. Pre svega zbog poremecenih depresivnih navika koje osoba s 'vremenom usvaja kao normalne iako Nisu.
naglasavam da su ovo MOJA zakljucivanja bez obaveze prihvatanja od bilo koga. Mora se razumeti sustina, uvek pisem sustinski, forma me manje zanima. Oliver

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Zanima me Jesam,kolika doza D vitamina je bezbedna ili poželjna?
Ovisi kakvo je stanje našeg organizma. Zato je prije doziranja neophodno napraviti pretragu na ukupni D vitamn iz krvi i prema nalazu se onda dozira.

Suplementira se s D3 (nikako D2) + K2 (u obliku MK 4).

Obično su doze koje se daju za prevenciju 1000 UJ, međutim, ako postoji ozbiljan manjak, onda je to apsolutno nedovoljno. Tada se daje do 10.000 UJ tokom 6 mjeseci i onda se ponavlja pretraga. Uz takve količine naravno idu i veće količina K2.


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Da zakljucim : depresija NIJE osecaj, bol, nesvestica vec POREMECENO PONASANJE. Ne poremeceno vidjenje realnosti, vec pogresno (poremeceno) ponasanje usled realnih dogadjaja, i depresija se NE LECI (nije bolest) NITI SE ELIMINISU UZROCI U REALNOM OKRUZENJU (ne mozemo promeniti stvarnost) vec se depresija eliminise tako sto OSOBA SKORO UVEK UZ TUDJU POMOC PRESTAJE SA POGRESNIM PONASANJEM!
Oprosti Olio, ali to naprosto nije točno.

Depresija upravo potječe od poremećene percepcije, odnosno doživljavanja stvarnosti i načelno ne mora imati apsolutno nikakav realni uzrok niti nastaje zbog razloga kakve si ti naveo, tipa ljubavni jadi, smrt, problemi i sl. Danas sve više i znanost potvrđuje da su psihički problemi često posljedica fizioloških poremećaja - čista biokemija.

Svi ljudi u životu prolaze teška razdoblja i gubitak, bol, nevolju i nesreću ali nisu svi depresivni. Depresija nije isto kao tuga.


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Oprosti Olio, ali to naprosto nije točno.

Depresija upravo potječe od poremećene percepcije, odnosno doživljavanja stvarnosti i načelno ne mora imati apsolutno nikakav realni uzrok niti nastaje zbog razloga kakve si ti naveo, tipa ljubavni jadi, smrt, problemi i sl. Danas sve više i znanost potvrđuje da su psihički problemi često posljedica fizioloških poremećaja - čista biokemija.

Svi ljudi u životu prolaze teška razdoblja i gubitak, bol, nevolju i nesreću ali nisu svi depresivni. Depresija nije isto kao tuga.
Draga moja "jesam " necemo se raspravljati na ovaj veliki dan...
gde li sam napisao da je tuga = depresija???
POREMECAJ PERCEPCIJE REALNOSTI jeste PSIHOZA odnosno SHIZOFRENIJA a to je vec TESKA BOLEST I NJENI UZROCI NISU U REALNOSTI VEC DALEKO OZBILJNIJI.
tuga je emocija a depresija psiholosko stanje osobe
kada osoba izgubi ruke ili noge u nesreci ako kaze da ce se izboriti i prilagoditi i nastaviti zivot najbolje sto moze, to je normalna osoba. Ali ako kaze -nije mi vise do zivota ko ce me ovakvog voleti i zelim da umrem -to je poremecena reakcija odnosno DEPRESIVNOST - JEDNOSTAVNO.
Upravo to ja naglasavam :ljubavni jadi NISU uzrok depresije vec uzrok POREMECENOG PONASANJA posto usled negati nih realnih uzroka OSOBA NIJE U STANJU REALNO SAGLEDATI STVARNOST I POGRESNO REAGUJE KLIZECI U POREMECENE REAKCIJE a to je DEPRESIJA!
Objasni devojcici od 14 godina koju je ostavio decko da njen bol koji je tera na poremecen i prenaglasenu reakciju nije realnost vec samo posledica biohemije...
I da je dovoljno popiti vitamine i sve ce biti lepo i prelepo...

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