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Nepročitano 02-10-12, 09:36   #71
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Prije 2 ili tri broja NEXUS je imao odličan, prosvjetljujući članak o HCV-u.
Članak se zvao "VIRUSOMANIJA"

-evo, našla sam:

http://www.teledisk.hr/magazin.php?id=160

naslov članka:
VIRUSOMANIJA – Izmišljene epidemije farmaceutske industrije

ali nažalost moraš se pretplatiti da bi pročitao članak. Ovako to prepričava zainteresirani nestručnjak par mjeseci nakon čitanja:

Uglavnom netko (dr.med.?) s puno dokaza govori o onovremenoj maniji dijagnosticiranja svih vrsta bolesti, po mogućnosti određenim virusom ili bakterijom za koje će se praviti određeni lijek.
Mnogo ljudi dolazilo je sa simptomima otečene i tvrde jetre, posljedične mučnine i općeg slabog stanja. Virolozi su triput dobivali zadatak i neograničeni novac da otkriju zajednički virus, i triput su žalosno (žalosno po njihov džep i status) zaključivali da toga nema.
Konačno su nalogodavci i novcodavci rekli: dobro, nemora biti virus, nađite dio virusa, dio bilo čega.
Tada supronašli dio virusovog lanca koji se pojavljivao kod skor0 svih sa tom skupinom simptoma.
E sad, statistički taj lanac se pojavljuje kod VEĆINE, ali:

- neki sa tim dijelom virusa nisu bolesni;
- neki bolesni nemaju taj virus;
- neki sa virusom se oporave bez liječenja
- neki bez virusa umru od jetre.
- nekima virus detektiraju, a poslije ga više nema.

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Možda u tom grmu leži odgovor na naša logična pitanja, kao npr zašto je taj test tako nenormalno skup, zašto ga dr-i (koji to MORAJU znati!) tako nerado rade, - a morali bi kad bi to bio virus - zašto je terapija tako razorna...

Zašto test reagira tek na određeni broj virusa u krvi, a ako imaš manje od toga onda ga kao "nemaš", itd.

Uostalom svi mi dobro znamo kako izgleda virusna bolest: pojavi se u nekom kraju, u prvo vrijeme se jako širi i jača, zatim mnogi ljudi stiču prirodni imunitet na nju, virusna bolest slabi i epidemija nestaje sama od sebe.
Da li se hepatitis C tako ponaša?


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Sad se sjetih - ali ne baš skroz - to je neko opće znanje: protiv svake viroze koju si jedamput imao postaješ doživotno imun; znači doživotno imaš imunitet, a da li doživotno imaš i neki mali broj tog virusa tog se ne sjećam.

Zna li tko ovdje?

Naime ako imaš malo virusa svake viroze koju si prebolio, onda je jasno da izlječenja, kako nam ga predstavljaju, nema.

Tko zna?
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Znam da sam prije 16 god imala epstein - barr virus ( iliti mononukleozu) te mi se to dandanas vidi u nekim krvnim pretragama ( vjerojatno imunoloskim) znaci, neki tragovi ostaju .
Mada, sto se tice dozivotnog imuniteta na neki virus, mislim da je to individualno . Neki ljudi imaju po 2x varicele ili bebe trodnevnu groznicu , rota virus itd.
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U mnogo slučajeva konvencionalna medicina mjeri prosutnost neke bolesti količinim antitijela...
Tako i kod potpunog izliječenja simptoma HIV-a zadnjeg stadija (MMS-om) znaju tvrditi da je osoba i dalje pozitivna s obzirom na antitijela u krvi...
Međutim svako preboljenje virusa ostavlja antitijela za tu bolest doživotno u nama, a pošto za HIV nema konvecionalnih multipliciranih primjera izlječenja onda na ovaj način svaki alternativni uspjeh guraju pod tepih...

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U mnogo slučajeva konvencionalna medicina mjeri prosutnost neke bolesti količinim antitijela...
Tako i kod potpunog izliječenja simptoma HIV-a zadnjeg stadija (MMS-om) znaju tvrditi da je osoba i dalje pozitivna s obzirom na antitijela u krvi...
Međutim svako preboljenje virusa ostavlja antitijela za tu bolest doživotno u nama, a pošto za HIV nema konvecionalnih multipliciranih primjera izlječenja onda na ovaj način svaki alternativni uspjeh guraju pod tepih...
borg, konvencionalna medicina ne mjeri isključivo prisutnost virusa količinom antitijela već se način mjerenja primjenjuje ovisno što je potrebno utvrditi. Ako je nekome utvrđeno da ima HCV, onda je sljedeći korak utvrditi koliko virusa ima. A to su dva različita testa. Jedan je na antitijela a drugi na virusne RNA čestice.

Ako želim utvrditi da li je netko viši ili niži od dva metra, sve što mi treba je štanga dužine točno 2 metra. Vjerujem da znaš kamo dalje ciljam: za utvrditi točnu visinu svih onih koji su viši od 2 metra, izeti ću metar kao pogodan alat. Jel se slažemo da bih gubio vrijeme i ostale resurse da sam mjerio točnu visinu svih onih koji su niži od 2 metra??

Što se tiče HIV-a, na koji HIV točno misliš? Vjerojatno ti je poznato da postoje 2 tipa i da se Jim Humble u svojoj knjizi referira na tip II, prisutan kod Afrikanaca koji uz to imaju različitu medicinsku skrb od Amerikanaca i Europljana koji obolijevaju od tipa I.

Kad smo kod alternativnih uspjeha koji se guraju pod tepih, nitko nikoga ne priječi da napravi testiranje i plati to iz svog džepa. Tako je i Lucky Star mogla napraviti, nitko joj nije savijao ruku iza leđa. To što medicina ima svoje mišljenje ne znači da to treba platiti svaki put kad pacijent ima svoje mišljenje.
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