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Nepročitano 21-01-12, 22:53   #61
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Bok svima, imam nekoliko pitanja o štetnosti klor dioksida:

S obzirom da je oksidans zar ne postoji mogućnost nastajanja različitih slobodnih radikala u tijelu koji itekako mogu biti štetni?

Zanima me i da li je možda reakcija koja prati uzimanje kemikalije akutno trovanje,a ne alergijska reakcija na veliku količinu oslobođenih antigena nakon istovremenog uništavanja velike količine patogenih organizama?

Zanima koje je objašnjenje da nema isto destruktivno djelovanje na sve stanice kako mikrobne tako i ljudske?
Klor dioksid je oksidans slabiji od kisika pa stoga ne može naštetiti zdravim (aerobnim) stanicama ni prijateljskim bakterijama (koje su aerobne), kao što ne može ni kisik.
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Bok, geborti.

Postavio si ODLIČNA pitanja - hvala!

Na tvoje prvo pitanje: u pravu si. Pa se zbog toga preporučuje uzimanje po protokolu i samo toliko vremena, dok se ne postiže terapijski cilj!

Na tvoje drugo pitanje: i to je moguče. Osobe, koje nemaju bolesti ili simptoma, kod kojih je upotreba MMS opravdana, akutno se mogu zatrovati. Pogotovo osijetljivi ljudi. Neki bolesnici MMS organski ne podnose, što se vidi već kod prve "doze" - pa im se odsavijetuje njegova primjena. Do zatrovanja može doči i u slučaju uzimanja i doziranja "na vlastitu ruku" a takvo akutno zatrovanje ne pušta nikakvih poslijedica- osim, ako netko ne uzme MMS kao sredstvo za samoubojstvo.

Na tvoje treče pitanje: to se ustanovilo u mnogim laboratorijama širem svijeta.

Ali: postoji velika opasnost kod neutemeljenog, vrijemenski predugačkog uzimanja MMS!!! U takvim slučajevima može doči i do STERILIZACIJE tijela, ponajprije se može uništiti flora i fauna u probavnom traktu, pogotovo u crijevima. Zbog toga je potrebno MMS uzimati STROGO po protokolu i najviše mijesec dana, pa onda prekinuti terapiju za mijesec dana. U ovoj drugoj periodi potrebno se hraniti isključivo hranom, koja je puna za tijelo "dobrih" bakterija.

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U ovoj drugoj periodi potrebno se hraniti isključivo hranom, koja je puna za tijelo "dobrih" bakterija.
U moru krivih informacija. osvrnuti ću se samo na ovaj citat. Ne, nije potrebno povećati unos probioticima. Nisi shvatio da je to potrebno tek u slučajevima kad osoba koja koristi MMS ima duže vremena proljeve (jer se ne drži propisanog protokola da smanji dozu ako ima herxhaimerovu reakciju, pa poveća kad reakcija prođe) pa tu leži opasnost da izgubi probiotike, tako što ih "isplahne" iz crijeva.
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ISTRAGA POKAZALA DA KONTROVERZNE KAPI NISU ŠTETNE

Helena Begenišić Schlachter zaradila je kaznenu prijavu, ali nakon provedenog kriminalističkog istraživanja, prijava je odbačena. Za potrebe postupka kapi koje su im oduzete vještačene su pri Hrvatskom zavodu za javno zdravstvo gdje je utvrđeno da, ukoliko se koriste po navedenim uputama, nisu opasne za ljudsko zdravlje.
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ISTRAGA POKAZALA DA KONTROVERZNE KAPI NISU ŠTETNE

Helena Begenišić Schlachter zaradila je kaznenu prijavu, ali nakon provedenog kriminalističkog istraživanja, prijava je odbačena. Za potrebe postupka kapi koje su im oduzete vještačene su pri Hrvatskom zavodu za javno zdravstvo gdje je utvrđeno da, ukoliko se koriste po navedenim uputama, nisu opasne za ljudsko zdravlje.
"Nisu štetne" ne znači da je a priori zdravo. Masa toga što konzumiramo na ovaj ili onaj način sadrži opasne komponente ali u dozvoljenim količinama. Neke od dozvoljenih količina treba držati pod nadzorom jer prekoračenje nosi gadne posljedice dok druge nisu toliko opasne jer ih tijelo brzo izbacuje zbog toga što se ne akumuliraju u organizmu.
Jedni i drugi su službeno dozvoljeni. Postoje i rupe u zakonu zato što nema dovoljno ispitivanja da bi se sa sigurnošću utvrdilo pravo stanje. Za to vrijeme se ljudi mogu trovati ne znajući da se truju dok ne bude prekasno.


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Klor dioksid je vrlo nestabilan spoj koji se u organizmu zadržava svega sat vremena a raspada se na sol i vodu. I zato je potpuno neškodljiv! I zato se po protokolu uzima doza svakih sat vremena.

Poznat je slučaj jednog japanca koji je htio počiniti samoubojstvo pa je ispio ne znam koliko deci (decilitara! ne kapi) mms-a. Bilo mu je malo muka 2-3 dana ali je itekako preživio, i to bez ikakvih posljedica i štete za organizam.

Ono što eventualno može nadražiti slab želudac je limunska kiselina, no u tom slučaju se uzima CDS (destilat mms-a u fiziološkoj otopini), ili se natrij klorit aktivira octenom kiselinom ili hcl-om.

Uzimala sam mms mjesec i pol dana s ogromnom koristi i nikakvom štetom. Sada ću prijeći na CDS jer mi je muka od ovog okusa i mirisa - to mu je jedina mana. Zaista je odvratan za piti.


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"Nisu štetne" ne znači da je a priori zdravo. Masa toga što konzumiramo na ovaj ili onaj način sadrži opasne komponente ali u dozvoljenim količinama. Neke od dozvoljenih količina treba držati pod nadzorom jer prekoračenje nosi gadne posljedice dok druge nisu toliko opasne jer ih tijelo brzo izbacuje zbog toga što se ne akumuliraju u organizmu.
Jedni i drugi su službeno dozvoljeni. Postoje i rupe u zakonu zato što nema dovoljno ispitivanja da bi se sa sigurnošću utvrdilo pravo stanje. Za to vrijeme se ljudi mogu trovati ne znajući da se truju dok ne bude prekasno.
Da okrenemo tvoju općenarodnu mudrost na "Zdravo je" ne znači da nije a priori štetno.
Voda je zdrava, zar ne?
Probaj popiti 10 litara vode pa vidi kakve će biti posljedice
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PS: I klor dioksid se ne raspada na sol i vodu nego na Cl- i O2.
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Da okrenemo tvoju općenarodnu mudrost na "Zdravo je" ne znači da nije a priori štetno.
Voda je zdrava, zar ne?
Probaj popiti 10 litara vode pa vidi kakve će biti posljedice
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PS: I klor dioksid se ne raspada na sol i vodu nego na Cl- i O2.
Voda je dio strukture našeg organizma. Piješ kad si žedan a ne kada si raspoložen za samoubojstvo.
MMS je plod mašte jednog čovjeka.


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