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Nepročitano 19-02-11, 13:04   #11
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Zelis li ti meni reci da je po tebi u redu povredjivati i iskoriscavati druge ljude i da je u redu koristiti bolest kao opravdanje???
i jos me pitas da ti definisem granicu kad je neko bolestan,koliko godina imas???
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samo sam rekla da psihopatija nije bolest! bolest je rak ili npr. depresija. dok psihopatija nije bolest. psihopati imaju drugačiji mozak, i to sam ti potkrijepila s video snimkom, i usporedila sa slijepilom ili npr. baš kao i downov sindrom. to nisu bolesti. kapiraš?
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samo sam rekla da psihopatija nije bolest! bolest je rak ili npr. depresija. dok psihopatija nije bolest. psihopati imaju drugačiji mozak, i to sam ti potkrijepila s video snimkom, i usporedila sa slijepilom ili npr. baš kao i downov sindrom. to nisu bolesti. kapiraš?
rak se može liječiti. dok za psihopatiju nema lijeka, niti ga može biti.
Veoma dobro shvatam,nema potrebe da mi dramis sa takvim nastupom.
Danas a i u buducnosti sve ce moci da se unapredi,nekada je genetski inzenjering bio bauk a danas klonovi =ziva ljudska bica setaju svetom ;) A psihopate zasto branis toliko ne znam..pronalazis se u njihovoj ulozi?
mislis da ne postoji tehnologija koja moze promeniti mozak...razocaracu te tehnologija postoji...
ili mozda mislis da mozes lako naci opravdanje za neki neadekvatan postupak(ovde je ispisano mnogo primera psihopatije) jer ti mozak drugacije radi?
No govorim celo vreme o psihopatama koji svesno povredjuju druge...a da li nalaze opravdanje jer im mozak drugacije radi jos ne znam...ali da su nesavesni u to sam sigurna.
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Psihopatija je složen pojam. Ne može se razlučiti (a sigurno to ne mogu današnji vrli - čitaj zatucani - znanstvenici) da li je ona uzrokovana u različitom funkcioniranju mozga na , recimo materijalnoj razini ili je ona uzrokovana nečim drugim kao što je npr. psihopatizacija društva preko odgoja, obraszovanja, medija, zabave... Ovo drugo je izglednije i sigurnije kao uzrok. Sloboda ne može biti djelomična ili sam ja slobodna pa ste i svi ostali ili nije nitko od nas. Orwelovsko, današnje društvo je uzelo za pravo da se određen tip ljudi i određen način ponašanja smatra za prihvatljiv a svi ostali su crne ovce koje se tuče po glavi da ne strše - to nije sloboda. Ne kažem da se psihopate ne treba za njihova zla i protuzakonita djela kazniti putem, zna se kojim, zakonskim i zakonskim kaznama, ali da bi se nekoga jer nije empatičan trebalo poslati na lobotomiju to mi je užasno i ne smatram da je u ikakvom smislu pošteno. Ne slažem se da se treba one manje "plačljive" stigmatizirati i tražiti među nama one koji bi mogli biti potencijalni psihopate. I još je gore implicirati nekome da je psihopat jer ima određena stajališta po nekom pitanju, to je novogovor, stigmatizacija i nepoštenje. To je lov na vještice. Nikako se ne smije zaboraviti da današnje društvo psihopatizira pojedinca i da sloboda mora biti prioritet svakoga pojedinca inaće nije slobodan nitko na svijetu. Pod sloboda mislim sloboda govora, sloboda mišljenja, sloboda da bude ono što želi i da pri tom poštuje tuđu volju i slobodu.
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[quote=DeteSvetla6;72704]Zelis li ti meni reci da je po tebi u redu povredjivati i iskoriscavati druge ljude i da je u redu koristiti bolest kao opravdanje???


bravo slažem se

Psihopat se ni ne žele mjenjati ..mnogi misle da su čak bolji od drugih (kažem ono što sam vidjela iz iskustva )
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Ima tu puno istine. Ali ima tu i dosta osobina prisutnih i u mnogim "zdravim" (onima koje smatramo normalnima) ljudima i ne podrazumijevaju ništa loše, dapače, mogu biti vrline.





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Psihopatija je složen pojam. Ne može se razlučiti (a sigurno to ne mogu današnji vrli - čitaj zatucani - znanstvenici) da li je ona uzrokovana u različitom funkcioniranju mozga na , recimo materijalnoj razini ili je ona uzrokovana nečim drugim kao što je npr. psihopatizacija društva preko odgoja, obraszovanja, medija, zabave... Ovo drugo je izglednije i sigurnije kao uzrok. Sloboda ne može biti djelomična ili sam ja slobodna pa ste i svi ostali ili nije nitko od nas. Orwelovsko, današnje društvo je uzelo za pravo da se određen tip ljudi i određen način ponašanja smatra za prihvatljiv a svi ostali su crne ovce koje se tuče po glavi da ne strše - to nije sloboda. Ne kažem da se psihopate ne treba za njihova zla i protuzakonita djela kazniti putem, zna se kojim, zakonskim i zakonskim kaznama, ali da bi se nekoga jer nije empatičan trebalo poslati na lobotomiju to mi je užasno i ne smatram da je u ikakvom smislu pošteno. Ne slažem se da se treba one manje "plačljive" stigmatizirati i tražiti među nama one koji bi mogli biti potencijalni psihopate. I još je gore implicirati nekome da je psihopat jer ima određena stajališta po nekom pitanju, to je novogovor, stigmatizacija i nepoštenje. To je lov na vještice. Nikako se ne smije zaboraviti da današnje društvo psihopatizira pojedinca i da sloboda mora biti prioritet svakoga pojedinca inaće nije slobodan nitko na svijetu. Pod sloboda mislim sloboda govora, sloboda mišljenja, sloboda da bude ono što želi i da pri tom poštuje tuđu volju i slobodu.
Odlično rečeno.

Istina da me nekad srdžba preplavi videći što se sve radi ljudima i dođe mi da mačem pokosim sve diktatore ali sam i svjestan da sve što ti ljudi rade govori o tome kakve se stvari mogu dešavati u svima nama ljudima. Nitko nije cijepljen od toga, koliko god si umislio da je.
Imamo u našoj povijesti pravednika-krvnika, genijalaca-luđaka, intelektualaca-rasista, produhovljenih sektaša itd.
Koliko god to zvučalo čudno ali ljudi mogu dvije oprečne stvari raditi potpuno iskreno. Npr. živjeti sa velikom ljubavi prema svojoj obitelji, prijateljima i susjedima, pomagat im i činit dobro za cijelu zajednicu (financirat izgradnju škola,bolnica,davat novac siromasima) a sa druge strane voditi narko kartel i naručivati ubojstva suparnika.
Psihopatija?
Možda. Ali dualizam je svima nama poznat ukoliko smo svjesni što radimo u vlastitim životima. Kako bi se taj dualizam odrazio u okolnostima koje bi nam osiguravale veliku moć nad drugim ljudima?

Pitanje slobode je vrlo složeno pitanje.
Sloboda nikad nije značila raditi što god ti se prohtije zato što svaki naš postupak djeluje na nas osobno a zatim i na druge ljude i njihovu slobodu.
Veliko pitanje je: Kako se manifestira sloboda bolesnog društva?
Zdravo društvo se ne mora previše brinuti o pitanjima slobode i prava.
Što je zdravije društvo to je moguća veća sloboda i manja potreba za deklaracijama prava, što je bolesnije - manje slobode i sve više bavljenja njome i pravima.

Nažalost, teško je ponuditi riješenje pitanja slobode jer bi se onda trebao naći netko tko će biti imun na nemoral i koji bi odlučivao u kojim se slučajevima sloboda bolesnog društva mora ograničit za dobrobit sviju.
To pokušava država zakonima. Ali nikad neće biti problem u zakonima nego u provoditeljima zakona.





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Ima tu puno istine. Ali ima tu i dosta osobina prisutnih i u mnogim "zdravim" (onima koje smatramo normalnima) ljudima i ne podrazumijevaju ništa loše, dapače, mogu biti vrline.

Istina sve ono što je napisano kako karakteristika svatko od nas se mogao naću u nećemu ...

svi smo mi u koloru ...


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