Alternativa Forum

Pametna brojila

Ovo je diskusija na temu Pametna brojila u podforumu New World Order
Često postavljana pitanja Koja je glavna prednost elektroničkih brojila u odnosu ...

Natrag   Alternativa Forum > Opasno za vaše zdravlje > New World Order

Alternativa Forum


New World Order Chemtrails, Codex Alimentarius, HAARP itd

Odgovor
LinkBack Opcije Teme Način Prikaza
Nepročitano 21-10-12, 20:59   #1
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani Pametna brojila

Često postavljana pitanja
Koja je glavna prednost elektroničkih brojila u odnosu na mehanička brojila?
Najvažnija prednost elektroničkih brojila je AMR, automatsko očitavanje brojila. Elektronička brojila omogućuju, daljinsko očitavanje brojila s računalom uz minimalni ljudski rad. Znači računalo očitaje brojilo (malo računalo).

Zašto je važno daljinsko očitavanje?
Daljinsko očitavanje brojila omogućuje smanjenje troškova očitanja, povećanje efikasnosti očitanja i točnost očitanja podataka? Računalo kad očitaje brojilo, očitat će ga točno ili ga neće nikako očitati.

Zašto se elektronička brojila zovu "Smart Meter"?
Zato što to jesu "Pametna brojila" koja imaju malo računalo u sebi.

Da li RIZ radi brojila po tuđoj licenci?
Ne, RIZ Odašiljači d.d. je vlasnik tehnologije. Brojila proizvedena u RIZ Odašiljačima su osmišljena, razvijena i proizvedena u RIZ-ovoj tvornici u Hrvatskoj od ruku hrvatskog radnika.

Kolika je točnost RIZ brojila?
Sva RIZ brojila EBM108, EBT308, EBM105 i EBT305 imaju točnost klase 1, odnosno točnija su od 1% i svi uređaji proizvedeni su induvidualno umjereni u labaratoriju. Brojilo EBM108 ima točnost bolju po cijelom strujnom opsegu od 0.5%.

Što još mjere brojila osim energije?
Osim četiri tipa energija, radne pozitivne, radne negativne, jalove pozitivne i jalove negativne, moguće je očitati iz brojila, snage, izvještaje svih 18 mjeseci unazad s energijama i snagama, krivulju snage za 512 dana, broj i vremena prebacivanja tarifa, faktore kvalitete mreže, vrijeme detekcije otvaranja poklopca i puno toga ostalog, oko 1MB podataka.

Da li je moguće prevariti RIZ-ovo brojilo?
Ne, brojila u sebi imaju detektor otvaranja poklopca, detektor prisustva snažnog magneta, zaštitu od pothladivanja i knjigu događaja, koja stalno, trajno bilježi različite događaje.

Koliko su kvalitetna RIZ-ova brojila?
U RIZ-ova brojila su ugrađene najkvalitetnije elektroničke komponente proizvedene u USA, Njemačkoj, Japanu i Hrvatskoj. RIZ-ova brojila imaju preko 300 komponenti a 45 komponenti je proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj. Od vanjskih partnera RIZ ugrađuje komponente Texas Instrumentsa, Analog Devicesa, National Semi, ST, VAC, Schaffner, Isabellenhuette, Schrack.. Broj komponenti proizvedenih u Hrvatskoj i ugrađenih u brojila je u rastu.

Po čemu se razlikuju RIZ-ova brojila od drugih proizvodača?
Po integriranom MTU. RIZ je jedini proizvodač na ovom prostoru koji ima programibilan i integriran MTU i UKS u brojilu, čime prilikom instalacije uz brojilo nije potrebno instalirati MTU prijemnik, čime se radi velika usteda energetskoj kući. Uz svako drugo brojilo je potrebno ugraditi MTU prijemnik koji kosta oko 30E.
Npr. na području Hrvatske ima instalirano uz brojilo oko pola milijona MTU prijemnika i uklopnih satova koji su nepotrebni uz nas uređaj. Ovi uređaji su instalirani vrmenski prije pojave RIZ-ovih brojila. Ovi uređaji opterećuju mrežu s 1MW snage.
Druga važna stvar je RIZ-ova laka instalacija s ručnim odabirom postavki koja omogućuje jednostavnu i brzu instalaciju brojila.

Kakve reference imaju RIZ-ova brojila?
U Hrvatskoj RIZ je najveći isporučilac brojila i ima instalirano preko trećine milijona brojila u svim ekstremnim uvjetima, od visoke slanosti, visoke vlažnosti i visokih temperatura. U Bosni i Hercegovini RIZ ima instalirano oko 10 000 brojila. RIZ je jedini hrvatski proizvodač elektroničkih brojila, zasad.

Kojom komunikacijom su opremljena RIZ brojila?
Brojila proizvedena u RIZ-u su opremljena elektromagnetskom komunikacijom po protokolu EURIDIS (norma IEC 62056-31), optičkom komunikacijom (norma IEC 62056-21) i RS485.

Da li je RIZ-ovo brojilo moguće spojiti na internet?
Da, moguce je, ako se uz brojilo spoji GDL208 GPRS TCP/IP komunikator, brojila se očitaju internet protokolom i brojilo može poslati e-mail, ima web sučelje i može mu se pristupititi preko URLa.

Koja brojila su dobra za zgrade?
Najbolji odabir brojila za AMR u zgradama je EURIDIS komunikacija. Ona omogucuje brzo, efiksno, umrežavanje brojila do 200 komada te 1GPRS modem, čime je cijena očitavanja smanjena na minimum.
Koja je maksimalna duljina linije za elektromagnetsko očitavanje brojila?
Normom IEC 62056-31 (protokol EURIDIS) propisana je maksimalna duljina komunikacijske linije koja iznosi 500 m. Ukoliko vaša primjena zahtijeva veću dužinu komunikacijske linije, preporučujemo RIZ-EURIDIS REPETITORA.

Je li potrebno napajanje sabirnice za elektromagnetsko očitavanje brojila (EURIDIS)?
NE, sabirnica ne zahtijeva napajanje, te je sabirnica galvanski odvojena od brojila s 8kV. Sabirnica je galvanski odvojena i od sonde za očitavanje. Galvansko odvajanje je bitno zbog sigurnosnih razloga i prenaponskih smetnji iz energetske mreže.

Da li je GPRS očitavanje bolje od GSM očitavanja?
Sigurno da je, GPRS je mobilna komunikacija koja podržava TCP/IP protokol. Iz sigurnosnih razloga je moguće definirati privatnu VPN mrežu, koja je nevidljiva iz van sustava.
Je li potrebno u Komunikacijski GSM modul ugraditi SIM karticu za komunikaciju s GSM mrežom?

Koje su karakteristike kabla za Euridis komunikaciju?
Pogledajte dokument.
Što znače oznake iza oznake tipa brojila na natpisnoj pločici brojila, npr. EBT308-C1/2E1F-4KHGLM-RR?
Pogledajte dokument ili se poslužite aplikcijom.

Da li je moguće očitati RIZ-ovo brojilo kad nema napajanja?
DA, brojilo može prikazivati podatke i potrošnju na LCD-pokazniku i kad nema napajanja jer radi na bateriji.

Da li RIZ-ovo brojilo može preskočiti znamenku i tako prevariti potrošača?
NE, brojilo svakih 1 sat provjerava stvarnu nakumuliranu energiju i uspoređuje je s teoretski najvećom za 1 sat(230V*100A*1h) i u slučaju prekoračenja postavlja indikaciju pogreške na LCD pokazniku.

Da li RIZ-ovo brojilo može brojati unazad?
NE, svi registri su rastući, kumulativni. Svakih 1h se uspoređuje energija s starom i ona mora biti jednaka ili veća. Ako nije postavlja se indikacija na LCD pokazniku.

Kako se zaštićuje točnost podataka u brojilu?
Točnost podataka, bilo poslanih ili spremljenih u trajnoj memoriji dan je s CRC (CyclicRedundacyCheck) algoritmom.

Kako se zaštićuje privatnost podataka u brojilu?
Za privatnost podataka iz brojila, prilikom očitavanja i programiranja se koristi DES enkripcija.

Da li su RIZ-ova brojila interoberabilna s drugim proizvođačima?
Da, uz RIZ-ovo brojilo na EURIDIS sabirnici je moguće spojiti i brojila 8 svjetskih proizvođača koji podržavaju euridis. I svi mogu zajedno na istoj fizičkoj sabirnici raditi, s istim komunikatorom ili ručnim čitačem.

Što je to EURIDIS+?
EURIDIS+ je nadograđeni standard, koji podržava DLMS/COSEM i brzine na 9600bauda

Da li RIZ AMR treba telefonsku liniju za očitanjem?
NE, RIZ AMR podržava TCP/IP očitanje. Potreban je samo LAN kabel i s druge strane GPRS GDL208.

Da li je moguće brojilo očitavati s FTP protokolom s Filezillom?
DA, moguce je pristupiti podacima u .xml formatu preko FTP-a.

Na koji način je zastićena komunikacija izmedu računala i GSM komunikatora?
GSM komunikator, je jednoznačno definiran s tri parametra. Brojem GSM kartice, brojem komunikatora i ključem kartice. Komunikacija izmedu računala i GSM komunikatora se ostvaruju paketima koji su DES kriptirani. Ključ se nikad ne salje kroz kanal, vec se njime kriptiraju podaci na strani računala i dekriptiraju na strani GSM komunikatora.

Na koji način radi sinkronizacija sata u brojilima EBM108 i EBT308?
Na području Elektrodalmacije i Elektroprimorja sinkronizacija se radi svakodnevno s MTU-om DIN43861. U ostalim područjima HEP ODS-a je moguće napraviti sinkronizaciju: daljinski (ako je brojilo na RIZ_AMR), ručnim terminalom ili tipkama na brojilu.

Na koji način se prebacuje tarifa na EBM108 i EBT308?
Na području Dubrovnika, Splita, Šibenika, Zadra, Rijeke, Pule, Zagreba, Varaždina, Čakovca, Koprivnice, Požege i Virovitice brojilo prebacuje tarifu preko MTU komande. Na području Karlovca, Križa, Siska, Bjelovara, Osijeka, Vinkovaca i Gospića brojilo prebacuje samostalno s internim satom.

Da li je RIZ-ova oprema interoperabilna?
Da, sva RIZ-ova oprema je interoperabilna i to na tri razine. RIZ-ova brojila EBM i EBT308 se mogu umrežavati s brojilima drugih proizvođačima. RIZ-ov komunikator GDL208 može očitavati brojila drugih proizvođača. RIZ-ovu komunikatoru GDL208 se može pristupiti iz softvera za AMR drugih proizvođača. RIZ-ov softver RIZ AMR može očitavati opremu drugih proizvođača.


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
Ryuujin (22-10-12), simona (22-10-12)

Nepročitano 22-10-12, 05:47   #2
back to basic
 
alison's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Mar 2010
Lokacija: zagreb
Postovi: 9,609
alison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond repute
alison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond reputealison has a reputation beyond repute
Pošalji poruku preko Skype™ za alison
Zadani

iz predhodnog posta teško je dokučiti o kakvim brojilima je riječ?


TRAŽIM LJUDE, ŠTO VIŠE LJUDI,
KOJI IMAJU NEOGRANIČENU SPOSOBNOST UVJERENJA
DA NE POSTOJI NEŠTO ŠTO JE NEMOGUĆE UČINITI
(H. FORD).
pridruži nam se u bblj



Podijeli post!

alison je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
Diana (22-10-12), Ryuujin (22-10-12)
Nepročitano 22-10-12, 06:01   #3
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Brojila za struju koja su internetom povezana sa bazom ( nema vise ocitanja brojila vec on sam salje stanje.


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
Ryuujin (22-10-12), simona (22-10-12)
Nepročitano 22-10-12, 06:04   #4
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Utilities across the country are installing so-called ‘smart’ meters. As a result, bills are skyrocketing, health effects and safety violations are being reported, and privacy in our homes is being violated. Do we really need wireless smart meters?

Decide for yourself:

Do you want an accurate, reasonably priced utility bill? Utility customers have noticed huge increases in their bill after a ‘smart’ meter is installed–in some cases hundreds of dollars more than usual. Utilities claim the meters are accurate,but unexplained over-billing has featured in many negative reports, all around the US. Read more.

Do you value your health, and the health of your family and friends? Just as we’re learning that cell phones cause brain tumors, why are we installing the same technology on everyone’s homes, often with no right to opt out? Thousands of people have complained of tinnitus, headaches, nausea, sleeplessness, heart arrhythmia, and other symptoms after a ‘smart’ meter was installed. Wireless technology is a public health hazard. Smart meters can violate already high FCC limits on human exposure to microwave radiation, and are being installed even as people are developing “electro-sensitivity”. There are also reports of ‘smart’ meter interference with pacemakers and other implants. Read more.

Do you value civil liberties and the right to privacy? When a ‘smart’ meter is installed, your utility has access to a treasure trove of information about your electricity usage, potentially compromising your privacy. Depending on the regulatory protections–and enforcement of those rules–in your state, they will be able to sell this information to a series of corporations and the government. Read the interview with the Electronic Frontier Foundation about how ‘smart’ meters violate privacy. Read how the ACLU in Vermont and the ACLU in Hawaii have both condemned the lack of consumer privacy protection.

Do you care about wildlife and cutting carbon emissions? Smart meters do not result in energy savings, according to Reuters. They may even increase energy consumption. There is also emerging evidence that wireless, non-ionizing radiation (from cell phones, wifi, and ‘smart’ meters) harms wildlife and damages trees. There have been direct reports of how smart meters affect vital bee populations.

Are you concerned about job losses in this anemic economy? PG&E claims that they are retaining 80% of their meter readers. What they don’t tell you is that several years back, they transitioned their meter readers from full time to temporary so the job loss would not appear so drastic. Utilities look upon smart meters as an easy way to boost profits by cutting jobs. We cannot afford to lose thousands of jobs in this economy.

Are you in favor of fire regulations that put the safety of residents first? A number of electrical fires have been caused by ‘smart’ meters. Like all other smart meters, PG&E’s meters are not UL certified, as is required by electrical code for all electric appliances within the home. Smart meters are potential ignition sources and remove utility personnel from neighborhoods. If meter readers had been present in San Bruno, would the gas leak have been detected? Whistleblowers have alleged unsafe installations. Here is another whistleblower’s story in Alabama.

Are you alarmed about the decline of our democracy and informed decision-making? The conversion to smart meters is one of the largest technology rollouts in history, and yet virtually no public consultation with ratepayers or local governments was carried out in advance. The CA Public Utilities Commission, an appointed (not elected) body who are charged with regulating utility companies, ignored popular local opposition for years–though finally and belatedly producing an opt-out in early 2012 that costs PG&E customers hundreds of dollars just to avoid a recognized possible carcinogen. In the rest of CA other utilities continues to install smart meters (Feb 2012).

SPEAK OUT! Spread the word to friends and neighbors, put a NO SMART METERS sign in your front yard, demand the regulators and your local government TAKE ACTION, REFUSE installation, and DEMAND REMOVAL!

As of June 2012, more than 56 cities and counties in CA have demanded a moratorium. Thirteen have even criminalized smart meters. More ways to take action here.


http://stopsmartmeters.org/


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-10-12), Jesam (07-11-12), mdomba (22-10-12), Ryuujin (22-10-12), simona (22-10-12), Tazika (07-11-12)
Nepročitano 22-10-12, 09:11   #5
Guru
 
simona's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Jan 2010
Postovi: 6,596
simona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond repute
simona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond reputesimona has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Diana, odlična tema, na tragu i povezana sa postom.

Više ovdje i ovdje.
simona je offline   Reply With Quote
simona, hvala ti na korisnom postu!
Diana (22-10-12)
Nepročitano 22-10-12, 11:14   #6
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Da, trebali bi se informirati prije nego pocnu i kod nas sa ugradnjom . A cini mi se da ce se uskoro to i poceti desavati ( ugradnja)


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
Jesam (07-11-12), simona (22-10-12)
Nepročitano 07-11-12, 12:31   #7
Alternativa addict
 
Tazika's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: Jamnica
Postovi: 496
Tazika has a reputation beyond repute
Tazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Nekidan mi je pozvonio čovjek da očita struju. Popričali smo, iskomentirali situaciju u zemlji i svijetu, ustanovili da nam djeca idu u istu školu, ogovarali susjede. Usput sam ga pitala i za savjet u vezi struje, nešto što može znati samo insajder
Znao je, iako ova očitanja radi samo honorarno, uzeli su ga samo na ovaj mjesec dana dok su očitanja. Kada se idući puta sretnemo biti ćemo si dobri provjereni poznanicu, spremni da pomognemo jedan drugome, dobri susjedi.

Zašto to mijenjati?
Realno - nema smisla.
Nezaposlenoga čovjeka su platili za mjesec dana, dobro i njemu i njima, sigurno ih košta manje nego tri nova brojila.
Nama su ove godine promijenili brojilo. Bilo je već staro, iako je radilo, pa neznam zašto - samo su dvojica pojavila sa novim brojilom za nas. Postavili su isto onakvo, sa onim kotačem i crticom koja trči ili se vuče, pa možeš vidjeti koliko ti šta troši. Možeš si i izračunati potrošnju kilovat-sati (kw/h) gledajući u taj kotač dok ti je uključen, recimo, samo kalorifer ili već nešto na što sumnjaš da ti diže račun u nebo. Možeš otkriti da li te Elektra muze (vara) ili zbilja toliko struje trošiš.

Ali ova nova brojila stavljam u istu ladicu sa čipiranjem pasa i koza (da, čipiraju koze), sumnjivim cjepivima, "štednim" žaruljama i chemtrailovima.
Recite, KAKO im se možemo oduprijeti?!
Tazika je offline   Reply With Quote
Tazika, hvala ti na korisnom postu!
Diana (07-11-12)
Nepročitano 07-11-12, 14:35   #8
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Odbijanjem novih brojila :)


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Nepročitano 08-11-12, 09:50   #9
Alternativa addict
 
Tazika's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: Jamnica
Postovi: 496
Tazika has a reputation beyond repute
Tazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond reputeTazika has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Citat:
Originally Posted by Diana Pogledaj Post
Odbijanjem novih brojila :)
Zar se to može?

Ako ih odbijem pustiti u kuću kada dođu s novim satom, bojim se da će mi stići poziv na sud. Ili naredba. I kazna.
Što da radimo kad ima toliko poslušnika na svim nivoima? Tko ne sluša, dobije otkaz i ispada iz sistema. Pa nema čime platiti struju.
Ako me nađu da držim kozu koja nije čipirana (u želudac, molim!) drapiće mi takvu kaznu da ću morati prodati i kozu i sve šta imam. Ako mi tu kozu odmah ne oduzmu.
Seljaci se ne usude držati niti jedno tele koje nije označeno, cijepljeno, proknjiženo, otrovano. A znaju da je to štetno i za tele i za njih. Kazne su drakonske. Nema izvrdavanja. A biti će sve gore.

I, kako da ih ne pustim kad dođu s novim satom?
Tazika je offline   Reply With Quote
Tazika, hvala ti na korisnom postu!
Diana (08-11-12)
Nepročitano 08-11-12, 09:55   #10
<3
 
Diana's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Oct 2009
Lokacija: ...
Postovi: 7,086
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Diana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond reputeDiana has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Jasno mi je .

Ne znam, treba prouciti zakone u vezi toga.

Kad cu imati cajta dat cu si truda i poskicati NN


:)



Podijeli post!

Diana je offline   Reply With Quote
Odgovor

Opcije Teme
Način Prikaza

Pravila Pisanja Postova
Vi ne možete otvoriti novu temu
Vi ne možete odgovarati na postove
Vi ne možete pridružiti datoteku
Vi ne možete editirati Vaše postove

BB kod je On
Smajlići su On
[IMG] kod je On
HTML kod je Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Vremenska Zona je GMT +1. Trenutno je 17:46 sati.



Iz ponude izdvajamo:











Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.0