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Mene posebno nervira što vlasnici pasa vrlo, vrlo često nonšalantno ostave izmet svog ljubimca na javnim površinama u gradu. Pa, nos im u to treba natrljati.
Ae, zato i kažem da smo nekulturan narod, no kako to nije jedini segment naše sada već svjetski poznate nekulture, nisam za to da se ističe kao nešto van općeg konteksta civilizacijske i kulturne razine nacije u cjelini, ak me razmete.

Jer, to je samo mali dio cjelokupnog problema, pa ne volim da se neke stvari izvlače iz konteksta i onda se stvaraju sasvim pogrešni zaključci (naravno, u onih manje osvještenih) - pa dolazi do sumanutih generalizacija tipa: sve te živine treba maknut, potrovat, utamanit iz gradova; ljudi koji imaju ljubimce su nekulturni; ljudi koji vole životinje, ne vole djecu ni ljude; ljudi koji pomažu životinjama imaju neki problem; zbog onih koji forsiraju pomaganje životinjama, djeca su uskraćena; oni koji pomažu životinjama su licemjerni ... i tako ... shvatili ste jelte.

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Ae, zato i kažem da smo nekulturan narod, no kako to nije jedini segment naše sada već svjetski poznate nekulture, nisam za to da se ističe kao nešto van općeg konteksta civilizacijske i kulturne razine nacije u cjelini, ak me razmete.

Jer, to je samo mali dio cjelokupnog problema, pa ne volim da se neke stvari izvlače iz konteksta i onda se stvaraju sasvim pogrešni zaključci (naravno, u onih manje osvještenih) - pa dolazi do sumanutih generalizacija tipa: sve te živine treba maknut, potrovat, utamanit iz gradova; ljudi koji imaju ljubimce su nekulturni; ljudi koji vole životinje, ne vole djecu ni ljude; ljudi koji pomažu životinjama imaju neki problem; zbog onih koji forsiraju pomaganje životinjama, djeca su uskraćena; oni koji pomažu životinjama su licemjerni ... i tako ... shvatili ste jelte.

Već ste sigurno primijetili da volim preciznost, pa eto, da se zadržim na toj karakteristici - zabune se i prečesto dešavaju.
Naprotiv, uopšte ne generalizujem i protivnik sam svake generalizacije.

Na žalost, u svom gradu srećem više ljudi koji nonšalantno ne pokupe za svojim ljubimcem, nego onih koji pokupe. Tužno, ali istinito.
I omjer je taman takav kao i kod ostalih kad je kultura/nekultura u pitanju, jednostavno više nas je nekulturnih.
Nije životinja tome kriva, ona ima potrebe koje svi imamo, vlasnik je trknut . Ali, to mi je vrhunac problematičnog ponašanja vlasnika pasa u svakodnevnom životu, jer to susrećem svaki drugi, treći dan .

Mislim da je velikim psima npr. vrlo teško živjeti u malim stanovima i da bi za njihovo dobro neki gradski propis trebalo da uredi koji je minimalni prostor koji za takvu životinju trebate imati. Tužno je nagurati nekog ovčarskog psa kojem je život u trčanju u 45 kvadrata .

Mačkama je svejedno, njima to ne znači puno, a i problem s higijenom je s mačkama daleko jednostavniji za riješiti. Ne znam kako stoje stvari s malim pasminama pasa, možda je njima lakše u stanovima.
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Nepročitano 14-11-13, 13:20   #1034
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Naprotiv, uopšte ne generalizujem i protivnik sam svake generalizacije.
Komentar o generalizacijama nije bio upućen tebi, niti ikome specifično.


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Jip, ista stvar i sa konjima. Možda još drastičnija, oni me baš asociraju na slobodu i široki prostor po kojem jure.

Čovjek se od prirode prilično odrodio posljednjih decenija, a kod životinja to ne ide baš tako brzo.

Smiješni su mi oni majmuni po Indiji koji su se skroz navukli na gradski život i odbijaju da se vrate u prirodu, vide se da s njima imamo najviše zajedničkog .
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Jip, ista stvar i sa konjima. Možda još drastičnija, oni me baš asociraju na slobodu i široki prostor po kojem jure.

Čovjek se od prirode prilično odrodio posljednjih decenija, a kod životinja to ne ide baš tako brzo.

Smiješni su mi oni majmuni po Indiji koji su se skroz navukli na gradski život i odbijaju da se vrate u prirodu, vide se da s njima imamo najviše zajedničkog .
Ne moramo cak do indije, nasi majmuni su jos gori po pitanju postopoto zivota u velikim gradovima. No posle niza godina takvog zivota, nisu se makli ni za jotu dalje od pocetka, ostali su isti, ako ne i gori...
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To sa psima u stanu potsetilo me na slucaj sa jadnim konjima, kad moraju onako potkovani da hodaju po asfaltu, a noge im idu na sve strane!!!
Nisu jadni, potkove im pomažu, kao nama cipele. Asfalt je super u odnosu na puno nezgodnije prirodne stvari, recimo oštro kamenje i sl.
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Naprotiv, uopšte ne generalizujem i protivnik sam svake generalizacije.

Na žalost, u svom gradu srećem više ljudi koji nonšalantno ne pokupe za svojim ljubimcem, nego onih koji pokupe. Tužno, ali istinito.
I omjer je taman takav kao i kod ostalih kad je kultura/nekultura u pitanju, jednostavno više nas je nekulturnih.
Nije životinja tome kriva, ona ima potrebe koje svi imamo, vlasnik je trknut . Ali, to mi je vrhunac problematičnog ponašanja vlasnika pasa u svakodnevnom životu, jer to susrećem svaki drugi, treći dan .

Mislim da je velikim psima npr. vrlo teško živjeti u malim stanovima i da bi za njihovo dobro neki gradski propis trebalo da uredi koji je minimalni prostor koji za takvu životinju trebate imati. Tužno je nagurati nekog ovčarskog psa kojem je život u trčanju u 45 kvadrata .

Mačkama je svejedno, njima to ne znači puno, a i problem s higijenom je s mačkama daleko jednostavniji za riješiti. Ne znam kako stoje stvari s malim pasminama pasa, možda je njima lakše u stanovima.
Kad vidis da vlasnik ne pokupi da li ti pokupis umjesto vlasnika? Zasto ne ili da?


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Kad vidis da vlasnik ne pokupi da li ti pokupis umjesto vlasnika? Zasto ne ili da?

Ne, jer nemam ni kesicu ni lopaticu s obzirom da imam mačku, a na te scene nailazim najčešće na relaciji posao/kuća kada i da imam psa možda ne bih nosila kesicu i lopaticu za sobom.

Osim toga, vjerujem da bi tim vlasnicima, s obzirom na njihov nivo kulture, to bio signal da nastave sa svojom praksom, jer će neko drugi raditi za njima.
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