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Nepročitano 04-02-14, 12:20   #51
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Sama riječ okultan vuče korijene od latinske riječi koja znači 'sakriti'.

Sociolog i specijalist za kultove Ronald Enroth definira okultizam kao skrivenu mudrost 'koja je izvan dosega običnoga ljudskog znanja... misteriji ili skriveni fenemoni... neobjašnjivi događaji.'

Prema tome, pod okultizam mogu spadati razna vjerovanja, tajne vještine i prakse koje dovode osobe u dodir s paranormalnim energijama, odnosno demonskim snagama.

Neki okultisti se koriste takvim silama da bi s njima manipulirali ljudima ili okolnostima. Takva praksa oprečna je kršćanstvu budući se temelji na tajnim vještinama, a kršćanstvo na javnoj, objavljenoj Riječi Božjoj.

Za što možemo reći da spada pod okultizam?

- OPĆE OKULTNE PRAKSE – spiritistički mediji, gatanje iz dlana, pretkazivanje budućnosti.
- ISTOČNJAČKI MISTICIZAM – joga, meditacija, trans, tibetanski budizam, Hare Krišna, trancedentalna meditacija itd.
- NEW AGE (NOVO DOBA) – teozofija, Silvina metoda kontrole uma, Forum, Lifespring (Vrelo života) itd.
- EZOTERIČNE SKUPINE – slobodni zidari (framasoni), rosenkreuzeri itd.
- ANIMIZAM/PUČKE RELIGIJE – vudu kultovi, santeria, yoruba, macumba, umbanda itd.
- NEOPOGANIZAM – vračanje, druidi, obožavanje nordijskih i starogrčkih bogova.
- SOTONIZAM – Anton LeVey (Sotonina crkva), Michael Aquino (Setova crkva) itd.

Koje su aktivnosti okultista?

Aktivnosti okultizma moguće je podijeliti na četiri osnovne skupine:

- komuniciranje s nebeskim bićima, duhovima, sablastima (primjerice uz pomoć spiritističkog medija ili kanaliziranjem),
- stupanje u dodir sa svojim 'višim ja' i njegovo usavršavanje (joga i meditacija),
- manipuliranje osobama ili okolnostima radi postizanja željenog cilja (magija ili vračanje),
- traženje skrivenog znanja (primjerice ESP – izvanosjetilna percepcija, gatanje).


Što Biblija kaže o okultizmu?

Biblija na različitim mjestima spominje određene oblike okultizma. Poglavito se u Ponovljenom zakonu 18,9-13 opisuju okultna djelovanja kojima su se bavili tadašnji Kanaanci. Takve radnje Božja Riječ smatra grozotama i gnusobama, a to je bio i razlog zašto je Bog protjerao Kanaance iz Palestine. Biblijski odlomci ne spominju sva postojeća okultna djelovanja. Starozavjetni pisci usmjerii su se uglavom na određene prakse s kojima su se Izraelci suočili u kanaanskoj zemlji.

Neki ljudi vide sličnost u karizmatičnom kršćanstu i okultizmu jer se za oboje tvrdi da imaju nadnaravni uvid koji potječe od više sile. Ali jedna se od drugih u temelju razlikuje po izvoru i motivu, a ne po izvanjskom obličju. Za kršćane je izvor sile Sveti Duh. Okultisti crpe silu iz neznanih snaga ili od demona, manipulirajući stvarnošću bez Božjeg odobrenja (Pnz 13; 18,14; 32,16-17; Lev 17,7; 2 Ljet 33,6; 1 Kor 10,20-21). Kršćani po pitanju ovakvih okultnih ili, modernim rječnikom rečeno, paranormalnih stvari moraju biti oprezni. Oni koji se bave čaranjem i manipulativnom magijom neće baštiniti kraljevstva Božjega (Gal 5,19-21; Otk 21,8; 22,14-15).


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stavljati astrologiju u okultno je otprilike kao i stavljati psihologiju
super mi je što o okultnom najviše teoretiziraju ljudi koji tome što zovu "okultnim" nisu ni primirisali, a zapravo su oni ti koji se bave gnjusnim stvarima...


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stavljati astrologiju u okultno je otprilike kao i stavljati psihologiju
super mi je što o okultnom najviše teoretiziraju ljudi koji tome što zovu "okultnim" nisu ni primirisali, a zapravo su oni ti koji se bave gnjusnim stvarima...
dodao bih da se najčešće time bave potpuno nesvjesno, tj. ne poznaju stvarnu svrhu nekog rituala u kojem sudjeluju. primjer - otvorenje olimpijskih igara u londonu. milijarda ljudi u izravnom prijenosu gleda igrokaz šarenih lutaka ne znajući da sudjeluju u velikom okultnom ritualu koji je u ovom slučaju okrenut protiv njih samih, tj. protiv slobodnog života na zemlji.
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stavljati astrologiju u okultno je otprilike kao i stavljati psihologiju
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Nemoj da te Bama čuje inače ćemo dobiti traktat o znanstvenoj metodologiji.
Jung je koncept arhetipa dobio baveci se astrologijom.

A evo još zgodnih podataka...

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Da parafraziram Foresta Gumpa :

Occult is as occult does!

Dakle, smatram da je uvijek najbitnija namjera onoga što se radi.

Možda i astrologija (ili bilo što drugo, uključujući kršćanstvo - što vidimo iz svega priloženog) može biti dio nečeg okultnog ako se koristi u takve svrhe, ak me razmete kaj sam štela reći.


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[font=Verdana]Sociolog i specijalist za kultove Ronald Enroth
Misterij, nedokuciva znanju mudrost - ne bi li onda i krscanski (odnosno svaki) misticizam bio okultizam?

Istocnjacki misticizam po onom sto je opisao (posebno kad je ukljucio Hare Krishne koji u u stvari malo egzoticniji katolici po sustavu vrijednosti i praksi) bi prakticki mogao obuhvatiti sve neabrahamske religije...

Drugim rijecima svi koji nisu pod mojom krovom neprijatelji su te cemo ih grupirati pod zajednickim nejasnim terminom okultnog :D


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Jung je koncept arhetipa dobio baveci se astrologijom.

A evo još zgodnih podataka...

http://www.summesensus.com/holotrops...STROLOGIJA.pdf
Jung je u psihologiji otprilike ono sto je pustanje krvi u medicini - povijesni faktor iz predznanstvenog razvoja iste, no znanstvena, akademska psihologija se njima bas ne koristi (uostalom i on i Freud su po vokaciji lijecnici/psihijatri/neurolozi, a ne psiholozi, psihologije nije niti bilo).

Da se razumijemo jako mi je drag Jung, ali to nije psihologija u smislu suvremene znanstvene discipline.


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ja također puno puta upotrijebih riječ okultno ali zašto se riječ koja nedvojbeno znači "skriveno", tako ružno koristi kao prefiks svim stvarima koje su nam ili nepoznate ili želim da budu ozloglašene među ljudima, pa što je egzorcizam, nego onda po toj definiciji teški okultizam (kršćanski)..??
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ja također puno puta upotrijebih riječ okultno ali zašto se riječ koja nedvojbeno znači "skriveno", tako ružno koristi kao prefiks svim stvarima koje su nam ili nepoznate ili želim da budu ozloglašene među ljudima, pa što je egzorcizam, nego onda po toj definiciji teški okultizam (kršćanski)..??
većina ljudi je naivna, i kad im veliš bekino, onda stvarno misle da je to bekino - ja naravno nisam u toj većini pa onda odem proučit tako neke stvari i onda vidim da su neke suvislije od onih koji ih anatemiziraju


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