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OK - želiš reći da se ti ne bi raspljeskao na tlu nego, kad bi zazvao Isusa, bi poletio ili prizemljio se nježno ili ko supermen ...?

I dalje ne kužim što želiš reći (ili možda i kužim ... )
kužiš ti jako dobro..

u ovom padu spas ne dolazi iz tebe

zazovi.. ili filozofiraj, pravi se luda, cinično impliciraj..

Svatko od nas ima potrebu za Spasiteljem. Jer Titanik je potonuo. A oko nas je hladno more. Ukrcati se na Brod Spasenja, ili se sklupčati u meditativnu pozu naš je izbor, a naše su i direktne posljedice toga izbora.


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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kakvo pitanje, takav odgovor.


trebalo mi je malo da skontam

ali krivo


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Mislim da je nama usađena potreba da odgovore trazimo van sebe ,najprvo od boga a onda naučeći tražeć odgovor od boga,tražimo od bilo koga tko je,makar i naizgled,moćniji od nas.
Ta potreba nemora značit da je zdrava,a i kako se dosad pokazalo i nije zdrava.
Cijeli svijet je formiran na ovisnosti i još jače se ta ovisnost masira.
Odredjeni ljudi sve manje propitkuju dogadjaje u svom okruzenju i samo zdravo za gotovo,bezumno prihvacaju svaku glupost od trenutnog boga(religijskog,politickog,uniformiranog itd itd)

Upravo suprotno,trebamo sve propitkivati,sve sami rjesavat,shvatit da smo za sve mi odgovorni.

Ako i postoji bog kao takav,onda onima koji se vole samo prepuštat religiji i ne razmisljat o nicem jer "ionako bog zna sve i za sve ima plan",moja baka ima izreku koja je jako popularna:

"pomogni si sam pa će ti i bog"
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Odgovor je veoma jasan.
Za neke stvari potreban nam je Spasitelj.

Jer ishod pada neće biti isti za onoga koji u padu napravi yoga pozu i onoga koji razumije kako u toj situaciji očajnički treba Spasitelja, zazove Njegovo ime, i preda svoju smrtonosnu težinu "Njegovim podmetnutim leđima"..
hm, hm, hm.

ovo bi gledao kao glupost, ali imam osobno iskustvo koje ima veze s napisanim.

gljive, kanabis, meditativna muzika, noc. vizije, spoznaje, komunikacija itd.

u jednom trenutku iskustvo se u potpunosti mijenja i cujem u glavi rijeci na latinskom. ton je izuzetno negativan, osjecaj zastrasujuc. znam sto je "bad trip", najcesce je manifestacija tamnog dijela podsvjesti u svijest. ovo je bilo sasvim drugacije, ovo je doslo van ja i ubacilo se u vezu izmedju ja i izvora kojeg poznam. shakiralo nam komunikaciju pocelo pokretat programe u meni.

tada je poceo kaos. mentalno svjestan i razuman, gledam sto se desava na tjelesnom planu. prvo su pocele oscilacije, izuzetno mi je vruce, izuzetno mi je hladno. trese me groznica. pod deku, vruce mi je. otvori prozor, hladno mi je. ruke ledene i osjecaj kao da iz njih netko isisava izuzetno veliku kolicinu energije. palim fen i pokusavam ugrijat ruke bez imalo uspjeha.
ubrzo nakon pocinju problemi s disanjem. sve teze mi je doc do daha i malo po malo disanje postaje sve plice. polagano dolazi do gusenja. gusenje je trajalo ukupno 10-15 minuta, iako je meni djelovalo da se radi o satima. bio sam otprilike kao riba van vode. shvatio sam kud to vodi i postao svjestan da cu umrijeti.
poceo sam razmisljati o bliznjima. zatim sam poceo razmisljati o tome kako ce to izgledati kad me nadju. vec vidim standardno objasnjenje, narkoman se predozirao.
i tako malo po malo gasi se zivot, a ja u mukama.
u jednom trenu pred sam kraj, iz potpunog ocaja uspijem na glas izgovoriti "boze pomozi mi.". mogucnost govora sam izgubio kad je pocelo gusenje. zacudilo me da sam uspio ista izgovoriti, a jos vise me zacudilo to sto sam rekao. ja i boze pomozi mi, otkud to?
nakon sto sam izgovorio tu recenicu gusenje se pocelo smanjivati. osicilacije vrucine i hladnoce takodjer. nakon toga sam zazvao "arkandjela Gavrila". i ponovo zbunjen, tko to prica iz mene, kakav Gavril? nakon toga se disanje malo po malo vratilo u normalu, a oscilacije su prestale. potpuno iscrpljen, lezem potrbuske na krevet.

tad su iz mene pocele teci rijeci, ili bolje receno kroz mene je pricano. o tome sto je bilo, o tome sto ce biti. to je trajalo 10tak minuta i iako su moja usta bila ta koja su pricala, ja sam bio taj koji je slusao. kad je i to zavrsilo, ustao sam, doteturao do frizidera, vratio se u sobu i pojeo.

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Mislim da je nama usađena potreba da odgovore trazimo van sebe ,najprvo od boga a onda naučeći tražeć odgovor od boga,tražimo od bilo koga tko je,makar i naizgled,moćniji od nas.
Ta potreba nemora značit da je zdrava,a i kako se dosad pokazalo i nije zdrava.
Cijeli svijet je formiran na ovisnosti i još jače se ta ovisnost masira.
Odredjeni ljudi sve manje propitkuju dogadjaje u svom okruzenju i samo zdravo za gotovo,bezumno prihvacaju svaku glupost od trenutnog boga(religijskog,politickog,uniformiranog itd itd)

Upravo suprotno,trebamo sve propitkivati,sve sami rjesavat,shvatit da smo za sve mi odgovorni.

Ako i postoji bog kao takav,onda onima koji se vole samo prepuštat religiji i ne razmisljat o nicem jer "ionako bog zna sve i za sve ima plan",moja baka ima izreku koja je jako popularna:

"pomogni si sam pa će ti i bog"
koju bi to vrstu samopomoći primjenio, i na kojem katu brojivši od 30 prema nula?


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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hm, hm, hm.

ovo bi gledao kao glupost, ali imam osobno iskustvo koje ima veze s napisanim.

gljive, kanabis, meditativna muzika, noc. vizije, spoznaje, komunikacija itd.

u jednom trenutku iskustvo se u potpunosti mijenja i cujem u glavi rijeci na latinskom. ton je izuzetno negativan, osjecaj zastrasujuc. znam sto je "bad trip", najcesce je manifestacija tamnog dijela podsvjesti u svijest. ovo je bilo sasvim drugacije, ovo je doslo van ja i ubacilo se u vezu izmedju ja i izvora kojeg poznam. shakiralo nam komunikaciju pocelo pokretat programe u meni.

tada je poceo kaos. mentalno svjestan i razuman, gledam sto se desava na tjelesnom planu. prvo su pocele oscilacije, izuzetno mi je vruce, izuzetno mi je hladno. trese me groznica. pod deku, vruce mi je. otvori prozor, hladno mi je. ruke ledene i osjecaj kao da iz njih netko isisava izuzetno veliku kolicinu energije. palim fen i pokusavam ugrijat ruke bez imalo uspjeha.
ubrzo nakon pocinju problemi s disanjem. sve teze mi je doc do daha i malo po malo disanje postaje sve plice. polagano dolazi do gusenja. gusenje je trajalo ukupno 10-15 minuta, iako je meni djelovalo da se radi o satima. bio sam otprilike kao riba van vode. shvatio sam kud to vodi i postao svjestan da cu umrijeti.
poceo sam razmisljati o bliznjima. zatim sam poceo razmisljati o tome kako ce to izgledati kad me nadju. vec vidim standardno objasnjenje, narkoman se predozirao.
i tako malo po malo gasi se zivot, a ja u mukama.
u jednom trenu pred sam kraj, iz potpunog ocaja uspijem na glas izgovoriti "boze pomozi mi.". mogucnost govora sam izgubio kad je pocelo gusenje. zacudilo me da sam uspio ista izgovoriti, a jos vise me zacudilo to sto sam rekao. ja i boze pomozi mi, otkud to?
nakon sto sam izgovorio tu recenicu gusenje se pocelo smanjivati. osicilacije vrucine i hladnoce takodjer. nakon toga sam zazvao "arkandjela Gavrila". i ponovo zbunjen, tko to prica iz mene, kakav Gavril? nakon toga se disanje malo po malo vratilo u normalu, a oscilacije su prestale. potpuno iscrpljen, lezem potrbuske na krevet.

tad su iz mene pocele teci rijeci, ili bolje receno kroz mene je pricano. o tome sto je bilo, o tome sto ce biti. to je trajalo 10tak minuta i iako su moja usta bila ta koja su pricala, ja sam bio taj koji je slusao. kad je i to zavrsilo, ustao sam, doteturao do frizidera, vratio se u sobu i pojeo.

prestrasen, zbunjen, zahvalan.
dakle izbavljen iz zagrljaja hladnoga mora smrti.. Slava i Hvala Bogu na tome!


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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vjeru. na prvom.
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dakle izbavljen iz zagrljaja hladnoga mora smrti.. Slava i Hvala Bogu na tome!
tesko mi priznat, ali da. hvala bogu i Gavrilu.
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vjeru. na prvom.


Samo da nije na nultom..


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