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Nepročitano 20-11-14, 14:07   #171
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Zgodan citat jedne poznate glumice:

“If only I wasn’t an atheist, I could get away with anything. You’d just ask for forgiveness and then you’d be forgiven.”
(jer se Bog naaajviše veseli bludnicima, razvratnicima, ubojicama i grešnicima - mljac!)

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zao mi je sto na to gledas kao pad zbog ludosti. znam sto znaci kad ja padne, ali u ovom slucaju su ja podmetnuli nogu i gurnuli ja s ledja.

ponekad se treba popeti na 30. kat zgrade jer se svijet tada puno bolje vidi nego kad si na prizemlju. i na brodu uvijek postoji covjek koji se popne na vrh jarbola, gleda u obzor i javi ostatku posade kad vidi kopno. u oba slucaja postoji opasnost od pada.

pitanje i dalje ostaje, zasto bog i Gavril i otkud iz mene?
Nemoj to tako shvaćati jer nisam doslovno tako mislila (da radiš ludosti ... pa sve i da radiš, zašto ne? To je tvoj izbor.), niti je tvoja priča ovdje važna 'per se' - spomenula sam je samo zbog toga što ju je Uoo utrpao u odgovor meni.

I ja sam bila znatiželjna i mnogo puta radila "ludosti", no nikad nisam prelazila određenu granicu za koju sam znala da se mogu nositi s posljedicama, iako priznajem da sam mnogo puta mogla i gadno završiti ... "pasti s 30. kata" na glavu. Ali nisam, ne zato što sam prizvala Isusa ili Boga (tada sam još bila zagriženi ateista), nego zato što sam se u odsutnom trenutku prisjetila nekih korisnih tehnika i psiholoških činjenica, rekla bih - snagom vlastite volje.

Otkud bog i gavril? Pa štajaznam - možemo li napraviti kontrolni test, pa da zavapiš recimo: "Krishna pomozi!" ... ili "Šlapo pomozi!" ... i da vidimo što bi se desilo? Jer tek tada bismo vidjeli od čega ti je naglo postalo bolje. Da li je bio dovoljan zvuk vlastitog glasa da te prizove k svijesti ili je tvoje podsvjesno uvjerenje da Bog ipak postoji i da pomaže toliko jako da je djelovalo kao snažan placebo ... bojim se da nikad nećemo saznati.

Nadalje, bilo bi potrebno provesti još jedan sličan pokus s osobom koja vjeruje recimo u Plamenog pijetla (npr. neki Indijanac), da prizove taj lik pa da vidimo da li bi mu "Plameni pijetao" pomogao jednako kao tebi Bog.

A svi mi volimo pridodati neki mistični prizvuk vlastitom životu i događajima ... malo egzotike je spicy začin.

(P.S. Čitam i vidim kako ovo ružno zvuči ... ja u sam u biti vjernik, ali ovo što pišem je ujedno i preispitivanje vlastitih stavova, da me se ne bi pogrešno shvatilo )


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Otkud bog i gavril? Pa štajaznam - možemo li napraviti kontrolni test, pa da zavapiš recimo: "Krishna pomozi!" ... ili "Šlapo pomozi!" ... i da vidimo što bi se desilo? Jer tek tada bismo vidjeli od čega ti je naglo postalo bolje. Da li je bio dovoljan zvuk vlastitog glasa da te prizove k svijesti ili je tvoje podsvjesno uvjerenje da Bog ipak postoji i da pomaže toliko jako da je djelovalo kao snažan placebo ... bojim se da nikad nećemo saznati.
u tom trenutku je proizvesti glas bio najtezi pothvat na svijetu.
ovo s podsvjesnim uvijerenjem moze biti tocno. iako me i to cudi jer sam puno kopao po podsvjesti i tek tad je bog isplivao van.
a ovo s Gavrilom je prica za sebe. da sam rekao Gabriel jos bi shvatio, ali Gavril. tek pretragom po netu sam nasao da je to pravoslavna verzija Gabriela. s katolicanstvom imam malo veze, a pravoslavstvom jos manje.
bivsi ateist, bivsi agnostik, bivsi pogan, bivsi gnostik, trenutni antropocentrist.

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Nadalje, bilo bi potrebno provesti još jedan sličan pokus s osobom koja vjeruje recimo u Plamenog pijetla (npr. neki Indijanac), da prizove taj lik pa da vidimo da li bi mu "Plameni pijetao" pomogao jednako kao tebi Bog.

A svi mi volimo pridodati neki mistični prizvuk vlastitom životu i događajima ... malo egzotike je spicy začin.

(P.S. Čitam i vidim kako ovo ružno zvuči ... ja u sam u biti vjernik, ali ovo što pišem je ujedno i preispitivanje vlastitih stavova, da me se ne bi pogrešno shvatilo )
sasvim dovoljno misticnih stvari mi se izdesavalo u zivotu pa je potreba za pretjerivanjem jako mala, barem sto se tice opisa dogodjaja. pazim sto pisem.
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u tom trenutku je proizvesti glas bio najtezi pothvat na svijetu.
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ovo s podsvjesnim uvijerenjem moze biti tocno. iako me i to cudi jer sam puno kopao po podsvjesti i tek tad je bog isplivao van.
Eto ti ga na! Kažem ja da ti je bilo u podsvijesti. Ljudi često ne razumiju značenje pojma "podsvijest" pa kažu: ne može biti da mi je bilo u podsvijesti, pa znao bih. Ne bi - zato se i zove pod-svijest.

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a ovo s Gavrilom je prica za sebe. da sam rekao Gabriel jos bi shvatio, ali Gavril. tek pretragom po netu sam nasao da je to pravoslavna verzija Gabriela. s katolicanstvom imam malo veze, a pravoslavstvom jos manje.
bivsi ateist, bivsi agnostik, bivsi pogan, bivsi gnostik, trenutni antropocentrist.
Tko zna kakve si veze imao s pravoslavljem u nekoj bivšoj inkarnaciji.


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Eto ti ga na! Kažem ja da ti je bilo u podsvijesti. Ljudi često ne razumiju značenje pojma "podsvijest" pa kažu: ne može biti da mi je bilo u podsvijesti, pa znao bih. Ne bi - zato se i zove pod-svijest.
ostajem pri mozda.
mozda sam tu kartu cuvao u rukavu sam od sebe, da imam ako zagusti.


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Tko zna kakve si veze imao s pravoslavljem u nekoj bivšoj inkarnaciji.
to podrazumijeva da sam vec bio inkarniran.
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Ne znam zašto misliš da sam cinična - uopće nisam. Fakat ne razumijem.

Vania jako dobro izražava sve ono što su i moje osobne dileme po tom pitanju.

No i dalje mi se čini da stalno eskiviraš izravne odgovore na vrlo izravna i jasno postavljena pitanja nego na njih postavljaš protupitanja.

To je poznata "menadžerska" tehnika kojom se protupitanjem odgovara na pitanje da se dobije na vremenu da se smisli odgovor koji bi nam išao na ruku.

I onda meni predbacuješ cinizam ...
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Vjerujem da Uoo namjerno ne eskivira odgovore, sad da li su nanovorođeni vjernici na nekom drugom nivou "svjesnosti" ili pak sebi nemogu "dozvoliti" ovakve dileme i pitanja, pa ih podsvjesno zaobilaze jer jednostavno moraju očuvati svoju vjeru, spoznaju uvjerenje, ne smiju sebe pokolebati... svaki drugi pravac razmišljanja je "opasan" da se nepoljuljaju i ne ostanu čvrsti u vjeri i stoga i traže dokaze potvrde svoje istine... To je neki moj osoban osjećaj koji sam osjetila i od kojeg me je uhvatio iskreno strah.... a sad tko će ga znati što jeste ili što nije
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Vjerujem da Uoo namjerno ne eskivira odgovore,
namjera je uvijek prisutna, bila ona svjesna ili podsvjesna.


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sad da li su nanovorođeni vjernici na nekom drugom nivou "svjesnosti" ili pak sebi nemogu "dozvoliti" ovakve dileme i pitanja, pa ih podsvjesno zaobilaze jer jednostavno moraju očuvati svoju vjeru, spoznaju uvjerenje, ne smiju sebe pokolebati... svaki drugi pravac razmišljanja je "opasan" da se nepoljuljaju i ne ostanu čvrsti u vjeri i stoga i traže dokaze potvrde svoje istine... To je neki moj osoban osjećaj koji sam osjetila i od kojeg me je uhvatio iskreno strah.... a sad tko će ga znati što jeste ili što nije
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