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Sin Čovječji
Zar nije sin Božji?

Nadalje: kaže sv. pismo: God is Spirit.

A na drugom mjestu kaže: God made man in his own image.

Pa onda kaže kako je Isus uskrsnuo i živ je i danas.

A onda se govori o drugom dolasku Krista ... otkuda će doći ako je već ovdje?

Pa sad ... ne znam ... meni je to sve skupa jako zbunjujuće.


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Zar nije sin Božji?

Nadalje: kaže sv. pismo: God is Spirit.

A na drugom mjestu kaže: God made man in his own image.

Pa onda kaže kako je Isus uskrsnuo i živ je i danas.

A onda se govori o drugom dolasku Krista ... otkuda će doći ako je već ovdje?

Pa sad ... ne znam ... meni je to sve skupa jako zbunjujuće.
Plus ocisceni smo zrtvom, ali ipak smo gresni;
ondak smo dobili izbor, ali ako stisnemo krivi gumb odosmo u pakao


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Pa onda kaže vako nekako: stvori Bog čovjeka na svoju sliku i priliku i stavi ga u raj da tamo živi lijepo ali u neznanju ili nespoznaji - ko totalni robot nesvjestan svoje golotinje niti spolnosti baulja okolo ali ... mnogo lijepo i idilično sve to oko njega. Eh, onda se čovjek pobunio protiv svog kreatora (valjda nije ugradio tu zadnju kontrolu protiv pobune u DNK, štoli), pa Bog - opet iz čiste ljubavi, siđe s nebesa u tijelu svog sina (?!) koji će se žrtvovati i umrijeti na križu da iskupi grijehe tih mamlaza što pobjegoše iz raja u želji za znanjem.

Znači - oprošteno nam je sve?

Eh, nije baš ... jer nam se i nadalje nešto prijeti svime i svačime. Pa čak i da će drugi put poslat sina koji je zapravo već ovdje. I što mora uopće nekog poslati da nas iskupljuje ako je svemoguć? Pa zar nemere to učinit "daljinski"?Ili onak mentalno? I kako nas je to iskupio - što to uopće znači??? Da li je ikome to jasno da mi objasni svojim riječima a ne kilometarskim citatom na biblijskom jeziku?

A pogotovo nije mu neka fora tako nas emocionalno ucjenjivati tipa: ja sam žrtvovo svog sina za vas, a vi meni ovako ... mislim ono, klasična manipulacija najniže razine, talking about imature. Ja to sad pišem malo šaljivo - ali mi fakat ništa to nije jasno u kršćanskoj interpretaciji. Naprosto nema smisla.

Sve u svemu, mensečini da taj Bog igra monopoli ili neku drugu zabavnu društvenu igru tamo gore (mislim, njemu zabavnu) - jer nemere bit i sveznajuć i nesvjestan što će čovjek učiniti pa se čudit poslije ko pura glisti i još se i ljuti.

Sad, nije mi jasno u kojem trenutku u cijeloj priči nam je dao slobodnu volju? - Ako je još u raju, onda što se čudi da smo odbjegli? Ako je poslije, onda mi tek ništa nije jasno. Kad je vidio da smo mnogo divlji, što nam još dade i slobodnu volju?

Mislim - fakat se trudim shvatiti osnovni koncept, ali nikako mi ne ide. Taman mislim da sam ufatila neku nit, kad ono: 100 pitanja i opet se priča urušava i nema nikake log'ke.

Još ajde - prihvaćam koncept inteligentnog dizajna, boga kreatora. Ali cijela ta biblijska priča mi nije dobro posložena.


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Sin Čovječji
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Mislis sin Bozji

Po majci Sin Čovječji, po Ocu Sin Božji...

Postavši Čovjekom, Isus nije prestao biti Bogom!

Kako sama Biblija kaže - isključivo Bog posjeduje moć praštanja grijeha... A tako je Isus i činio...

Dakle, utjelovljenje Krista ne podrazumijeva oduzimanje Božanstva, već adiciju čovječnosti...


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Postavši Čovjekom, Isus nije prestao biti Bogom!
Niti je, postavši čovjekom, nakon uskrsnuća i uzašaća, prestao biti čovjekom........
Čovještvo je u Isusu, uzdignuto u Nebo.
Jednom i zauvijek, kako vjeruju kršćani.

To je bit spasenja i čovjekovog uzdignuća.


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Niti je, postavši čovjekom, nakon uskrsnuća i uzašaća, prestao biti čovjekom........
Čovještvo je u Isusu, uzdignuto u Nebo.
Jednom i zauvijek, kako vjeruju kršćani.

To je bit spasenja i čovjekovog uzdignuća.
Sorry.. ali to nije kršćanski nauk.. kršćanski nauk kaže da oni koji su po vjeri u Isusa Krista nanovo rođeni u Duhu Svetomu po vjeri u Isusa Krista primaju život vječni..

dakle nije čovještvo u globalu uzdignuto.. već je čovještvu probijen put ka uzdignuću.. put ka novorođenju u Kristu


<< Evanđelje po Ivanu 3 >>
1 Bijaše među farizejima čovjek imenom Nikodem, ugledan Židov. 2On dođe Isusu obnoć i reče mu: Rabbi, znamo da si od Boga došao kao učitelj jer nitko ne može činiti znamenja kakva ti činiš ako Bog nije s njime. 3Odgovori mu Isus: Zaista, zaista, kažem ti: tko se ne rodi nanovo, odozgor, ne može vidjeti kraljevstva Božjega!
4Kaže mu Nikodem: Kako se čovjek može roditi kad je star? Zar može po drugi put ući u utrobu majke svoje i roditi se? 5Odgovori Isus: Zaista, zaista, kažem ti: ako se tko ne rodi iz vode i Duha, ne može ući u kraljevstvo Božje. 6Što je od tijela rođeno, tijelo je; i što je od Duha rođeno, duh je. 7Ne čudi se što ti rekoh: 'Treba da se rodite nanovo, odozgor.' 8Vjetar puše gdje hoće; čuješ mu šum, a ne znaš odakle dolazi i kamo ide. Tako je sa svakim koji je rođen od Duha.

9Upita ga Nikodem: Kako se to može zbiti? 10Odgovori mu Isus: Ti si učitelj u Izraelu pa to da ne razumiješ? 11Zaista, zaista, kažem ti: govorimo što znamo, svjedočimo za ono što vidjesmo, ali svjedočanstva našega ne primate. 12Ako vam rekoh zemaljsko pa ne vjerujete, kako ćete vjerovati kad vam budem govorio nebesko? 13Nitko nije uzašao na nebo doli onaj koji siđe s neba, Sin Čovječji. 14I kao što je Mojsije podigao zmiju u pustinji tako ima biti podignut Sin Čovječji 15da svaki koji vjeruje u njemu ima život vječni.

16Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Po majci Sin Čovječji, po Ocu Sin Božji...

Postavši Čovjekom, Isus nije prestao biti Bogom!

Kako sama Biblija kaže - isključivo Bog posjeduje moć praštanja grijeha... A tako je Isus i činio...

Dakle, utjelovljenje Krista ne podrazumijeva oduzimanje Božanstva, već adiciju čovječnosti...
Slazem se Uoo sa tobom .
I sa onim ponovo rodjenim .u svakoj religioznoj tradiciji pa i kod nas u inijskoj se kaze dvaput rodjen ,jednom od oca i majke a drugi put od vatre(Prihvacanje Boga i duhovnog ucitelja kao oca i d)ide se sa vatrenom zrtvom( usput receno zitarice se bacaju u vatru,nema ljudskih zrtvi)
a kod vas vodom.Nije li u bibliji receno da sad se krstevate vodom a doci ce vreme kad ce se krstevati vatrom?]

Dobar si ti Uooo ,lepo kapiras.
U ovim postovima mi zvucis kao Born again christian.Nije to lose ,ne kazem to.


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