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Nepročitano 28-03-14, 20:52   #21
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Zar liječnik koji se poziva na prigovor savjesti da ne bi počinio UBOJSTVO mora biti vjerski ili kakav god fanatik? Ne može biti samo ČOVJEK koji ima moral i savijest? Pa zakleli su se da će spašavati i čuvati živote! Ma koji to zakon ikome može i smije narediti da počini ubojstvo??
Naravno, ove koji se pozivaju na prigovor savjesti i to rade na crno, kaznila bi doživotnim zatvorom, i to za ubojstvo za koje im je savjest dala prigovor.
Stvarno jesmo svijet u totalnoj banani kad osuđujemo ljude koji ne žele, iako je ozakonjeno, ubijati. Kakva je razlika ubiti dijete tri mjeseca živo (nerođeno) i ono od tri godine?????? Zar nitko ne shvaća da je ono malo, slatko trogodišnje dijete (uostalom mi sami) bilo nekad maleno nerođeno dijete? Gdje su prava na život te djece???
Zar zato jer je nevidljivo oku ne postoji? Predmet je? Stvar? Prekinuti njegov krhki život je, što?? Pa na kom smo stupnju svijesti??
Za mobitele imamo 150 kn mjesečno, za kontracepciju nemamo??? Stavljanje spirale košta manje nego pobačaj, za jedno se ima novca za drugo nema?? Kad majka ubije rođeno dijete, monstrum je, treba je zatvoriti....a nerođeno?? Da li su se svi borci za prava djeteta zapitali koliko su licemjerni ako podržavaju abortus?




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Naravno, ove koji se pozivaju na prigovor savjesti i to rade na crno, kaznila bi doživotnim zatvorom, i to za ubojstvo za koje im je savjest dala prigovor.
Stvarno jesmo svijet u totalnoj banani kad osuđujemo ljude koji ne žele, iako je ozakonjeno, ubijati. ...



Kak' si ti žestoka......


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Za mobitele imamo 150 kn mjesečno, za kontracepciju nemamo??? Stavljanje spirale košta manje nego pobačaj, za jedno se ima novca za drugo nema?? ...
Sve više žena je nezaposleno i ekonomski ovisno o suprugu......ne raspolažu svojim novcem i ne donose odluke o sebi niti o svojoj djeci.


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Da li su se svi borci za prava djeteta zapitali koliko su licemjerni ako podržavaju abortus?...
Točno. Gdje su danas prava djeteta?
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A zašto bi socijalno trebalo snositi troškove abortusa (govorimo o nemedicinski indiciranima, naravno)???
Apsolutno se slažem, kada bismo dobivali bruto na ruke, svatko bi mogao odlučiti kako će izdvajati i da li će izdvajati za zdravstvo.

Nemedicinski ili medicinski, isto ti ga dođe, oboje je ipak nasilje.

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Ljudi se zaigraju, čine umorstvo i još da to ide iz džepova (etičnih) poreznih obveznika?
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Misliš, žene se zaigraju...???
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Kak' si ti žestoka.....

Poneslo me....bar ga ne bi ubila, samo kaznila


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Slažem se, mila. Zato mi i jeste užasno žao žena koje to moraju proći. I zato je edukacija najbolja preventiva. I da se mene pita, kontracepcija bi bila besplatna, puno prije nego raznorazni ostali nepotrebni lijekovi. A možda bi i bila kada bi se na tome ozbiljno aktivirali.



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Točno. Gdje su danas prava djeteta?

U promicanje prava djeteta i to treba uključiti. Jedno bez drugog ne ide.




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Teski momenti , za svaku stranu .
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Znaš da sam se to puno puta pitala...... Nekome su se žene jako grdo zamjerile.... Shvaćajući što se na svijetu događa, jasno mi je da se aktivno radi na smanjenju broja ljudi, na sve mile i nemile načine. No nije samo to u pitanju (to se riješi edukacijom i kontracepcijom). Psihičke i fizičke poslijedice koje žene imaju nakon takvog čina, definitivno destabiliziraju obitelj.




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Znaš da sam se to puno puta pitala...... Nekome su se žene jako grdo zamjerile.... Shvaćajući što se na svijetu događa, jasno mi je da se aktivno radi na smanjenju broja ljudi, na sve mile i nemile načine. No nije samo to u pitanju (to se riješi edukacijom i kontracepcijom). Psihičke i fizičke poslijedice koje žene imaju nakon takvog čina, definitivno destabiliziraju obitelj.
simona ce to bolje znati Cini mi se da one preuzimaju
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ne moze ju nitko vise zaliti nego ona samu sebe ; ne moze je nitko vise kazniti nego sto sama sebe kaznjava .


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Uf....ima nešto u tome..... simona će znati




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Slažem se, mila. Zato mi i jeste užasno žao žena koje to moraju proći. I zato je edukacija najbolja preventiva. I da se mene pita, kontracepcija bi bila besplatna, puno prije nego raznorazni ostali nepotrebni lijekovi. A možda bi i bila kada bi se na tome ozbiljno aktivirali.
Što bi to bila ozbiljna aktivacija????

Iluzorno je očekivati edukaciju u zemlji u kojoj je preko 80% vjernika/ca. A ta kontracepcija se može i uskratiti prigovorom savjesti. Neš' ti edukacije samo za žene?????? U tim silnim prepiranjima oko pobačaja, niti jednom se ne spominje muškarac kao sudionik 'sretnog događaja'. Nestane u vidu lastinog repa, bez odgovornosti i zakonske obveze brinuti se o osobi koju je zatrudnio.
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