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Nepročitano 30-06-11, 11:33   #51
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ma znam, ja sam samo upozorio, čisto da nekome ne padne na pamet...već su se počeli brkati pijesak i kvarcni kristal, pa rekoh, da ne odemo predaleko sa špekulacijama

zato je dobro prisjetiti se da postoje primarni i sekundarni materijali za orgonite
pa jel nije pijesak usitnjeni kvarcni kristal?


“Ne vjeruj zato što je to mudrac rekao, ne vjeruj zato što je to uobičajeno mišljenje, ne vjeruj zato što je to zapisano, ne vjeruj zato što netko drugi to vjeruje, nego prosudi istinu i nakon što ju pažljivo ispitaš i raščlaniš i uvidiš da će svima činiti dobro, živi u skladu s njom i pomozi drugima da čine isto. – Buda



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pa jel nije pijesak usitnjeni kvarcni kristal?
nije...

usitni čekićem grumen kvarcnog kristala, pa ga usporedi sa pijeskom...


p.s. nije svaki pijesak 100% kvarcni...građevinski ima svega u sebi...

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pa dobro pijesak se oblikovao u vodi

i staklo ce nakon godinu vrtenja u vodi postati oblo


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po toj logici je staklo (SiO2), s obzirom da se radi od pijeska, isto što i špica gorskog kristala...

eto, onda programiraj staklo i stavljaj ga umjesto gorskog u orgonit

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Imam pitanje!

Blind me sad sjetio. Ovih sam dana na obali skupila nešto šarenih staklenih oblutaka promjera svega nekoliko milimetara. Bilo mi je interesantno što je more od razbijenog stakla napravilo predivne prozirne oblutke.

Malo staklenih oblutaka u orgonitima? Da, ne, ili nije bitno?

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debate na forumima, pa tko ima volje čitati:


"Any crystal is suitable for simple orgonite. Quartz is just the most plentiful, I think.

Glass won't work but glass isn't a crystal. Crystal chandeliers, stemware, etc., were glass at one stage of manufacturing, after a whole lot of quartz was melted down and formed into the product. It becomes crystalline only after it's been heated to incandescence, otherwise glass and quartz are identical chemically, as far as I know."

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"I think the one thing that may have gotten missed in what I said is that you want a "rock" containing crystalline quartz (silicon dioxide as a chemical compound). Not all rock is like this and some like granite, though they are or do contain crystalline quartz, are more of a composite where the quartz exists in disconnected cells rather than a larger contiguous crystal which is better. FYI, granite can contain as little as 20% quartz! Clear to translucent river pebbles are damn near 100% quartz! Which is better, right?

Beach "rocks" or pebbles that the light shines through and look clear to translucent inside are almost always crystalline quartz (a.k.a BIG pieces of sand - wink).

Quartz breakage is usually relatively inexpensive and plenty good enough for making TB's. One Arkansas crystal mine I buy mine from sells it for $6/# and a pound will make a LOT of TB's - easily hundreds!. If this is impractical or you want to "recycle" pebbles back into the environment as Jack is suggesting which is in fact what our African counterparts are doing, so long as you pick up the right pebbles, your TB's will be equally as powerful and capable of transforming the landscape for the better as ones made with high quality quartz crystal breakage. Personal choice more than anything.

I do need to address the issue of exactly what glass and "crystal" are. You might be surprised!

Glass is NOT a crystalline solid. It is composed of about 75% quartz (usually from high purity sand) but it also contains calcium oxide (limestone), magnesium oxide and aluminum oxide. This mix prevents the molten mixture from crystallizing as it cools so glass won't work for making orgonite.

Crystal (in the vein of wine glasses and the like) is also NOT a crystalline solid and merely glass where they use lead in place of the calcium oxide (I'm sure there are variations as to what they sub-out). This does not cause the glass to crystallize and calling lead glass "crystal" is a misnomer. The common use of the term "crystal" stems from the fact that glass with lead content shines better, sparkles more and sort-of kind of looks like crystalline quartz, which its NOT. It also makes the glass softer making it easier to polish, cut and engrave. Owing to this, lead glass also wouldn't work well in orgonite."


http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?p=9758



"Powdered quartz is a fine additive to interactive orgonite but, in fact, no crystals or additives at all are needed for orgonite to do its work. Powdered quartz may, in fact, be more suitable than sand but that's just a hunch based on some personal experience."

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http://www.warriormatrix.com/about449.html



"We already know that regular glass adds nothing to orgonite, of course, but you haven't mentioned, Pedro, whether the tube was crystal or just glass."

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http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=586

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oprostite na mojoj "krutosti" , ali ljudi koji tek dođu na forum, mogu svašta shvatiti iz naših polovičnih postova, komentara...

potrebno je ponekada se vratiti na osnove, jer bi inače ljudi radili orgonite bez kristala, misleći da je malo bilo kojeg pijeska i školjki dovoljno za orgonit...

TB bez kristala mora biti skoro duplo veći od standardnog TB-a, sam Croft je došao do takvog zaključka eksperimentiranjem...

prema tome, TB sa pijeskom i školjkama, nije TB, već jako slabi orgonit...

1 TB bi ipak trebao biti u stanju koliko-toliko neutralizirati predajnik, i zato treba imati barem komadić pravog kvarca u sebi...inače nije TB...

isto tako, HHg bez barem 1 špičetine u sebi, teško da će neutralizirati DOR na većem području...


zato postoje osnove, kako izraditi TB i HHg, i zna se što se od njih može očekivati

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Ako ja bar za sebe mogu izvući zaključak, to bi onda značilo da je u orgonit prije svega bolje staviti metalnu štenu i kristal, tj. kvarc i time dobrano iskoristiti smolu u kalupu. Svi ostali dodaci samo oduzimaju taj prostor ovim glavnim sastojcima. Može li se tako shvatiti?
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Ako ja bar za sebe mogu izvući zaključak, to bi onda značilo da je u orgonit prije svega bolje staviti metalnu štenu i kristal, tj. kvarc i time dobrano iskoristiti smolu u kalupu. Svi ostali dodaci samo oduzimaju taj prostor ovim glavnim sastojcima. Može li se tako shvatiti?


ako je mali uređaj, poput TB-a, onda je to točno...

zato se u TB stavlja samo komadić kvarca, i to je sasvim dovoljno, sve ostalo čine špena i smola....

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a ja stavio čak nekoliko komadića ametista, nekoliko kvarca i nekoliko hematita, s dodatkom školjkica i biljčica.. čak planiram u sredinu mini špice stavljat.. zar je takav TB slabiji? špenu sam prstima nabijao da se što više zgusne.. zato i ne volim krupnu jer nju ne možeš tako nabit ostane prostora pa onda preko nje još sipnem gize ili aluminija pa opet nabijaj.. to mora bit dobro no?


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