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Nepročitano 15-01-14, 21:36   #101
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e-cigareta sadrži jednak broj štetnih i kancerogenih sastojaka - čak i više nego da pušiš prirodni motani duhan.
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npr. nikotin i propilen glikol i biljni gliceroli koji se npr. nalaze u antifrizu i dovode do oštećenja mozga, jetre i bubrega.
Još uvijek ti fali par stotina štetnih sastojaka za nabrojati.
A biti će ih teško za nabrojati jer još jedini sastojci e-cigarete su aroma (one arome koje se koriste u prehrambenoj industriji - za kolače npr.) i voda.

Biljni glicerol se nalazi u gotovo svim hidratantnim kremama.
Propilen glikol se koristi u prehrambenoj industriji i potpuno je neotrovan u količinama do 1 g. / kg.

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E-cigarete su zabranjene u javnim prostorima Australije, Brazila, Kanade, Finske, Paname, Izraela, Meksika, Singapura, u New Yorku (SAD) i Oregonu (SAD), dok je u američkom gradu Bostonu zabranjena upotreba u radnom prostoru.
Zabranjen je i sex u javnim prostorima. Znači li to da je sex štetan i kancerogen?

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Iako je rašireno mišljenje kako e-cigarete nisu štetne, no Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija ipak upozorava da su istraživanja još uvijek nedostatna, ...
Znači, SZO nema dokaza...

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dok je Američka agencija za hranu i lijekove, FDA, u istraživanju štetnosti e-cigareta zaključila da ovi proizvodi sadrže kancerogene i otrovne kemikalije.
nova studija profesora Igora Burstyna sa sveučilišta Drexel donosi zanimljive nalaze.

"Nakon provjere preko 9000 opservacija vezanih za sastojke para i tekućina koje se nalaze u e-cigaretama, dr. Burstyn utvrdio je kako je razina štetnih tvari kojima su korisnici e-cigareta izloženi, zanemariva i daleko je ispod razina koje bi se pokazale štetnima za zdravlje. Nadalje, ne postoji ni prijetnja za one koji se nalaze u blizini pušača. Prijedlozi da se zabrane e-cigarete na mjestima gdje je zabranjeno pušenje utemeljene su na strahu od potencijalnog rizika za one koji se nalaze u blizini pušača, ali studija je pokazala da ne razloga za zabrinutost", piše American Council on Science and Health.
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Hajde dobro! No, mislim da je nikotin sasvim dovoljan razlog - a on se nalazi u obje.

U svakom slučaju, ja ne vidim u čem je štos zamijenit jednu oralnu fascinaciju drugom.

Bolje uklonit uzrok pa se riješit brige.

I tepanje da je višemjesečno pušenje e-cigarete dio odvikavanja mi je isto tako smiješno. Tipa: na dijeti sam - više ne jedem čokoladu, sad jedem browniese - to je (navodno) puno bolje.

Tko uistinu želi prestat pušiti, taj će pregrmit 3 dana čišćenja i amen.
Podržavanje takvih zamjenskih sredstava je samo zavaravanje (ili samozavaravanje).


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Nepročitano 16-01-14, 15:38   #103
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...Te e-cigarete mu dođu k'o dudica u džepu.........
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...Te e-cigarete mu dođu k'o dudica u džepu.........
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Hajde dobro! No, mislim da je nikotin sasvim dovoljan razlog - a on se nalazi u obje.
Nikotin je posebna tema i sve više mislim da uopće nije problem nikotin kod cigareta nego sve ostalo.

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U svakom slučaju, ja ne vidim u čem je štos zamijenit jednu oralnu fascinaciju drugom.
Misliš fiksaciju?

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Bolje uklonit uzrok pa se riješit brige.
A čuj, što je čovjek bez poroka...

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I tepanje da je višemjesečno pušenje e-cigarete dio odvikavanja mi je isto tako smiješno. Tipa: na dijeti sam - više ne jedem čokoladu, sad jedem browniese - to je (navodno) puno bolje.
Za određeni postotak ljudi e-cigareta je odličan način da se skinu. Ja sam se skinuo sa biorezonantnom medicinom pa je zato i mogu preporučiti jer znam iz iskustva) a e-cigareta mi ga dođe baš ko dudica, možda više kao sigurnosni ventil da mi ne padne na pamet posegnuti za analognom cigaretom.

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Tko uistinu želi prestat pušiti, taj će pregrmit 3 dana čišćenja i amen.
Podržavanje takvih zamjenskih sredstava je samo zavaravanje (ili samozavaravanje).
Neki mogu, neki ne mogu. Bolje i to nego ostat na analognima.

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Misliš fiksaciju?
Ma da ... vakcinacija, vakcinacija Mujice!

Znala sam da je neš na "f" al mi zablokiro mozak.

A može zapravo i fascinacija, he-he.


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Hajde dobro! No, mislim da je nikotin sasvim dovoljan razlog - a on se nalazi u obje.

U svakom slučaju, ja ne vidim u čem je štos zamijenit jednu oralnu fascinaciju drugom.

Bolje uklonit uzrok pa se riješit brige.

I tepanje da je višemjesečno pušenje e-cigarete dio odvikavanja mi je isto tako smiješno. Tipa: na dijeti sam - više ne jedem čokoladu, sad jedem browniese - to je (navodno) puno bolje.

Tko uistinu želi prestat pušiti, taj će pregrmit 3 dana čišćenja i amen.
Podržavanje takvih zamjenskih sredstava je samo zavaravanje (ili samozavaravanje).
Nećemo sad moralizirati, oralizirati, analizirati... Ti sigurno imaš svojih poroka. Netko puši, netko pari, netko pije... netko ima neadekvatnu ishranu, ne rekreira se dovoljno, netko se ne bori dovoljno protiv stresa, netko nepravilno sjedi, netko... sve su to mane i poroci. Nitko nije savršen.

Ako netko pari elektronske cigare onda je on od dva zla odabrao manje i tu ne vidim ništa sporno.
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Nećemo sad moralizirati, oralizirati, analizirati... Ti sigurno imaš svojih poroka. Netko puši, netko pari, netko pije... netko ima neadekvatnu ishranu, ne rekreira se dovoljno, netko se ne bori dovoljno protiv stresa, netko nepravilno sjedi, netko... sve su to mane i poroci. Nitko nije savršen.

Ako netko pari elektronske cigare onda je on od dva zla odabrao manje i tu ne vidim ništa sporno.
Ja sam totalno besporočna , ali ne radi se o meni nego raspravljamo o tome što je štetno a što nije i čemu što služi. Pa koga zanima, može se dalje informirati. Činjenica jest da zamjena jedne fiksacija drugom nije odvikavanje nego samozavaravanje.

A sad - tko hoće i ako mu drago, može se i batom za meso tuć po glavi. Mene neće boljeti.


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Činjenica jest da zamjena jedne fiksacija drugom nije odvikavanje nego samozavaravanje.
Navika nije jednako što i ovisnost.

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Navika nije jednako što i ovisnost.

Jesi li siguran?

Koja je razlika (u ovom slučaju)?


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