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Da, točno tako. Ne znam o čemu se radi, ali recimo kada je riječ o vezama, najgore što možemo napraviti jest ubijanje ljubavi. A pojam kidanje mi nekako na to ide. Dakle, treba odstraniti patologiju, tj. ovisnost i ostaviti čistu pravu ljubav... ona nije sebična i može egzistirati bez posjedovanja.
NIkada ne treba ubijati ljubav, to je protivno svim "zakonima" univerzuma
sviđa mi se ovaj tvoj termin "ubijanja ljubavi" odličan opis...uh kako je to tegobno i turobno bilo razdoblje kad sam "ubijala" ljubav, a onda se kao sve smirilo ali kad me je ponovo lupilo bilo je gore neg prošli put i svaki put kod ponovnog "ubijanja" ja sam bila sve slabija i fizički bolesnija
taman tako nekako sam se ponovno vratila meditaciji i od svoje učteljice saznala za meditaciju kidanja veza, a paralelno sam slučajno došla i do čovjeka koji je izradio horskop i onda su sve kockice sjele na svoje mjesto ....radim na toj meditaciji već duže vrijeme ali polako napredujem, jer smo ja i on sudbinski i duhovno vezani ali na način koji meni šteti iako u horoskopu imamo jednu od najvećih veza po planetama i zato otpuštanje ide polako ali ipak napredujem i svakim danom me sve manje boli



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....radim na toj meditaciji već duže vrijeme ali polako napredujem, jer smo ja i on sudbinski i duhovno vezani ali na način koji meni šteti iako u horoskopu imamo jednu od najvećih veza po planetama i zato otpuštanje ide polako ali ipak napredujem i svakim danom me sve manje boli

Da, mogući je da ima tu karmičkih stvari, zato je bitno ispravno ga "otpustiti".

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Da, točno tako. Ne znam o čemu se radi, ali recimo kada je riječ o vezama, najgore što možemo napraviti jest ubijanje ljubavi. A pojam kidanje mi nekako na to ide. Dakle, treba odstraniti patologiju, tj. ovisnost i ostaviti čistu pravu ljubav... ona nije sebična i može egzistirati bez posjedovanja.
NIkada ne treba ubijati ljubav, to je protivno svim "zakonima" univerzuma
Lijepo sročeno, no imam jednu replikicu.

Kidanje ne označava ubijanje ljubavi.
Ta, tko bi išao ubijati ljubav? To bi bilo djelovanje protiv samog sebe...
Ubijaju se devijacije koje možda liče na ljubav. Ili se iz ljubavi prekidaju veze koje su disfunkcionalne (isto diskutabilno... veza u kojoj postoji iskrena ljubav nikako ni ne može biti disfunkcionalna).

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Lijepo sročeno, no imam jednu replikicu.

Kidanje ne označava ubijanje ljubavi.
Ta, tko bi išao ubijati ljubav? To bi bilo djelovanje protiv samog sebe...
Ubijaju se devijacije koje možda liče na ljubav. Ili se iz ljubavi prekidaju veze koje su disfunkcionalne (isto diskutabilno... veza u kojoj postoji iskrena ljubav nikako ni ne može biti disfunkcionalna).
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Tko bi isao? Svako malo to vidim
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Prava ljubav je jača od svega.
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(isto diskutabilno... veza u kojoj postoji iskrena ljubav nikako ni ne može biti disfunkcionalna).
Ovisi kakve smo osobe.
Najčešći uzroci problema u vezama su ego nadmetanja oko svakodnevnih navika, želja i potreba.
Ljubav se u takvim prilikama uglavnom stavlja sa strane i što češće se to ponavlja, sve manje dolazi do izražaja.

Međutim, ima slučajeva kada snažno zavoliš unutarnje biće dotične osobe i ta ljubav se ne mijenja bez obzira na sva ego prepucavanja.
Odnos može biti strahovito stresan i osjećaš se toliko nesretno da na kraju odlučiš jedino što je preostalo - prekid.
Međutim, i dalje iskreno voliš ono što ta osoba u sebi nosi jer vidiš u njoj ono što ona nije u stanju vidjeti.
A nekad ispadne tako luda kombinacija da oboje iskreno volite ono duboko u drugome ali se ne možete dovesti u sklad kako god okrenete.

Vrlo važno pitanje je i to dal zaista možemo vidjeti dubinu osobe ili svoju sliku i osjećaje ravnamo po tome dal pere zube jednom ili dva puta dnevno!?

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Ovisi kakve smo osobe.
Najčešći uzroci problema u vezama su ego nadmetanja oko svakodnevnih navika, želja i potreba.
Ljubav se u takvim prilikama uglavnom stavlja sa strane i što češće se to ponavlja, sve manje dolazi do izražaja.

Međutim, ima slučajeva kada snažno zavoliš unutarnje biće dotične osobe i ta ljubav se ne mijenja bez obzira na sva ego prepucavanja.
Odnos može biti strahovito stresan i osjećaš se toliko nesretno da na kraju odlučiš jedino što je preostalo - prekid.
Međutim, i dalje iskreno voliš ono što ta osoba u sebi nosi jer vidiš u njoj ono što ona nije u stanju vidjeti.
A nekad ispadne tako luda kombinacija da oboje iskreno volite ono duboko u drugome ali se ne možete dovesti u sklad kako god okrenete.

Ego nadmetanja su uobičajena, individue smo.. apsurdno je očekivati isključivo slaganje u bilo kakvom odnosu. Čak i da je moguće u ljubavnom, sumnjam da bi bilo privlačno.
Opcija koju si prvu naveo, teško da će opstati, ljubav stavljena sa strane teško miri divljanje ega.

Druga opcija je čisti love-hate odnos koji može biti na temeljima čiste i iskrene ljubavi. Ukoliko je bol prejaka, osobu se može voljeti i s pristojne udaljenosti i uštediti si daljnja povrijeđivanja. Udaljavanje je opcija i kada vidiš da svojom prisutnošću osobi koju voliš nanosiš bol.
Ako se radi o pravoj ljubavi i ako su partneri razumni, odabrati će kompromis umjesto prekida. U principu u love-hate odnosima dolazi do kompromisa tek nakon prekida.

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Vrlo važno pitanje je i to dal zaista možemo vidjeti dubinu osobe ili svoju sliku i osjećaje ravnamo po tome dal pere zube jednom ili dva puta dnevno!?
Možemo vidjeti dubinu osobe, ali nas najčešće privuče naša slika koju vidimo u toj dubini. Nekad te određene osobine kod nas samih nismo svjesni, jer nije na površini... opasnost leži u fiksaciji na tu osobinu kod druge osobe i zanemarivanje osvještavanja iste kod sebe.

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Ego nadmetanja su uobičajena, individue smo.. apsurdno je očekivati isključivo slaganje u bilo kakvom odnosu. Čak i da je moguće u ljubavnom, sumnjam da bi bilo privlačno.
Ako smo individue tada ego nadmetanja ne bi trebala biti uobičajena.
Ako su ego nadmetanja uobičajena onda imamo nešto zajedničko.
Zajednički nam je sustav uvjerenja koji nas motivira na nadmetanje.

Ako se ne slažeš sa partnerom možeš se prepucavat i nametat svoje stavove ili možeš istražiti gdje se nalazi korijen nerazumijevanja, počevši od sebe.
Ovisi što smatramo bitnim u životu.


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Druga opcija je čisti love-hate odnos koji može biti na temeljima čiste i iskrene ljubavi. Ukoliko je bol prejaka, osobu se može voljeti i s pristojne udaljenosti i uštediti si daljnja povrijeđivanja. Udaljavanje je opcija i kada vidiš da svojom prisutnošću osobi koju voliš nanosiš bol.
Ako se radi o pravoj ljubavi i ako su partneri razumni, odabrati će kompromis umjesto prekida. U principu u love-hate odnosima dolazi do kompromisa tek nakon prekida.
Ovaj "hate" je tu čisto jer se tak veli ili podrazumijevaš da u navedenom odnosu (temeljenom na iskrenoj ljubavi) postoji i mržnja?


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Možemo vidjeti dubinu osobe, ali nas najčešće privuče naša slika koju vidimo u toj dubini. Nekad te određene osobine kod nas samih nismo svjesni, jer nije na površini... opasnost leži u fiksaciji na tu osobinu kod druge osobe i zanemarivanje osvještavanja iste kod sebe.
Ne znam na što misliš.
Ukoliko volim određenu osobinu kod te osobe, uživat ću u njoj a najvjerovatnije će motivirati i slične osobine u meni da dođu do izražaja. Tu vidim samo dobre i poželjne stvari.

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