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Nepročitano 19-07-15, 12:08   #51
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Utvrđen mi je visok kortizol ( po prvi puta u životu) no doktori tvrde da je on posljedica nespavanja.
Ja pijem vještački kortizol skoro 25 godina, svaki dan, bez izuzetka, kao terapiju za AIH (između ostalog).

Imam problem s nesanicom, što je posljedica te terapije, na visokim dozama se desi da po 5 dana ne mogu zaspati. A iscrpljen budeš, tako da jedino možeš da ležiš na leđima, a bukvalno nemaš snage oči da otvoriš

Kortizol je tzv. hormon stresa, pa taj vještački stres ne da zaspati, tj. kortizol, pa tako sve u krug.

Morala sam godinama preko dana fizički i mentalno da se umaram, maltene do iznemoglosti, i da pratim kad će naići momenat minorne opuštenosti, pa da probam da zaspim. Trebalo mi je vrijeme mjereno u godinama, da naučim da prepoznam taj jedan slabašan trenutak mogućeg zaspivanja.

Ništa drugo nije pomagalo, ni prirodni preparati, ni lijekovi ni ništa.

Isto sam naučila da se oko toga dodatno ne nerviram, nego da ustanem, pa da nešto radim, koliko god ni na nogama nisam mogla stajati. I češće nisam spavala nego što jesam. Imala sam i one odluke tipa, ako mi se gdje god i kad god prispava, odmah zaspati, pa i na banderi, samo da se tijelo i um i duša odmore malo.

Nisam dopustila sebi da padnem u depresiju, mislim da je to najvažnije u svemu tome, koliko god bilo teško. I nisam se predala. I dalje živim sa tim, to sam prihvatila i pomirila se, kad drugo ništa ne mogu




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ne znam, događa li ti se da ne zaspeš ni minute u toku 24 sata? meni se to već nekoliko puta dogodilo u zadnjih par mjeseci i ne mogu odagnati pomisao na taj užas.

meni su radili prije par dana dekstamezonski test za kortizol a nalazi će biti tek za par tjedana
no unaprijed su mi rekli da misle da je to od nespavanja
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ne znam, događa li ti se da ne zaspeš ni minute u toku 24 sata? meni se to već nekoliko puta dogodilo u zadnjih par mjeseci i ne mogu odagnati pomisao na taj užas.
Naravno, kad napisah 5 dana, to znači ni 3 sekunde sna. Pa si budan, mozak radi 500 na sat, ali ni prstom mrdnuti. Naizgled drugima (porodici) djeluje da spavaš, ali ti kao u komi. To se meni često dešavalo i dešava se.
Pa još kad moram tako na posao, pa se prisilim i odem (to sam godinama učila), pa lelujaš kroz svijet, a ne znaš ni u kojoj si državi.

I nisam slučajno naglasila na kraju tek da ne treba upasti u depresiju, užasno jeste, ali time dodatno sebi otežavaš.

Prije sam imala onaj pristup: ajme, evo ga opet mučenje, pokazaću mu ja da sam jača od njega; pa kad i to umori, ja izmislim neki novi motiv i sve tako redom.

Sad, nakon toliko mnogo godina, ne kažem da je lako, velika je to borba za opstanak, ali nije nemoguće živjeti i sa tim. Naučila sam da iz sebe izvučem snagu i kad sam mislila da je nemam, bili su to nadčovječni napori. Opet kažem, nije nemoguće.

I ne treba o tome misliti. Zaposliti glavu nečim da radi non-stop i napraviti tu naviku, dok ne primijetiš jednog dana da si zaspao, ako nisi, Bože moj, zaspaćeš malo kasnije.

Zamisli, kad su mi se u okruženju divili kako ja mogu po 3 dana da radim bez spavanja, a oni ništa, eto šta sam uspjela postići treningom sa samom sobom i izbjegavanjem zamke kako mi je najgore na svijetu




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Blago tebi ako si se navikla, ja jednostavno fizički ne mogu funkcionirati. Zato i jesam na bolovanju. Čitala sam prije nekog vremena članak o curi koja mjesecima nije spavala pa su joj otkrili tumor nadbubrežne žlijezde koji je lučio kortizol. Još mi jedino preostaje da odem učiniti MR privatno o svom trošku nadb. žlijezda. Iako je pisalo da je ona imala i visok tlak, visok natrij, malen kalij, a kod mene to nije slučaj.

A ovaj tvoj post me sjetio na moju situaciju prije jedno 7 godina kad sam i ja pila kortizol zbog jedne bolesti - dogodilo se da sam završila na operaciji i tad su mi davali ogromne doze prije zahvata. Posljedica je bila da anestezija na mene skoro pa nije djelovala.
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Nepročitano 19-07-15, 12:50   #57
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Blago tebi ako si se navikla, ja jednostavno fizički ne mogu funkcionirati. Zato i jesam na bolovanju. Čitala sam prije nekog vremena članak o curi koja mjesecima nije spavala pa su joj otkrili tumor nadbubrežne žlijezde koji je lučio kortizol. Još mi jedino preostaje da odem učiniti MR privatno o svom trošku nadb. žlijezda. Iako je pisalo da je ona imala i visok tlak, visok natrij, malen kalij, a kod mene to nije slučaj.
Nisam ni ja mogla u početku, zato i kažem da su pitanju bile godine. I zato rekoh da je kod mene kortizol bio uzročnik, pa kako si ga pomenula, možda je i kod tebe.

Više mi djeluje, po onome što si napisala, da si samoj sebi nervozom podigla kortizol i napravila nesanicu, ali, naravno, treba iskontrolisati sve, da se otklone ostali mogući uzroci povišenog kortizola.

Ja ga više i ne lučim prirodno, atrofirale su mi nadbubrežne žlijezde iz kore, pa mi je, kako doktor kaže, terapija pitanje života i smrti

I ja to ne shvatam tako ozbiljno, jer sam se naučila maći iz kruga bolest, misli o bolesti, bolest, misli o bolesti...

I da ti ne pišem sad šta još sve uzrokuje drastično povišen kortizol, jer ćeš bez veze brinuti, voljela bih da iz mog primjera vidiš da se ipak može izboriti sa tim. Jer inače živiš u paklu i to mi je žao.

Još bih ti preporučila da posjetiš nekog psihologa, možda može pomoći. Kad sam ja išla i psihijatru i psihologu, moj je uzrok bio jasan, pa nisu mogli ništa, sem da predlože prekid terapije




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kod zdravih ljudi koji pate od nesanice problem je u glavi.
ne u krvnoj slici, ne u hormonima...
u deset godina nesanice možda sam desetak puta uzeo tabletu i to one biljne "belmiran san"

kao što već rekoh prije, smiriti um prije spavanja.
meni je trebalo 8 godina pakla da to naučim.
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kod zdravih ljudi koji pate od nesanice problem je u glavi.
ne u krvnoj slici, ne u hormonima...
u deset godina nesanice možda sam desetak puta uzeo tabletu i to one biljne "belmiran san"

kao što već rekoh prije, smiriti um prije spavanja.
meni je trebalo 8 godina pakla da to naučim.
Problem je sto mnogi to nikada ne nauce... a nije lako, naprotiv.





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Još mi jedino preostaje da odem učiniti MR privatno o svom trošku nadb. žlijezda.
Pošto si se javila na drugoj temi, zanima me jesi li ovo uradila i kako je prošlo?




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