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Je, po meni također kod ''luđaka'' dolazi do iskrivljavanja (recimo uobičajene) stvarnosti u gomilu prenapuhanih misli i osjećaja - do te mjere dok ih ne hospitaliziraju i urokaju lijekovima. E onda se javlja ''ništavilo'' ali ne u obliku nirvane, nažalost.

Moj dobar frend je ''poludio'' odjednom, u roku od 2 mjeseca je puko i bio hospitaliziran, 2 godine bio na teškim lijekovima i sada je 2 godine ''čist''.

Spasilo ga što je pronašao vjeru u Boga i on je definitivno od te bolesti primio korist - otvorila mu se duhovna dimenzija i tvrdi da su neke od halucinacija koje je imao, ipak bile stvarne - kao npr. kontakt s pokojnim ocem.

Definitivno nije imao razdoblje ništavila prije bolesti. Sada ima dimenziju duhovnosti, povezanosti s bogom i ajde recimo ništavila u smislu povremene nirvane, jel.


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Vidim da svi tražite smisla za ludilo.

Tinker Bell, da, uobičajeno je da ljudi posegnu za vjerom i da vjera ima blagotvornog učinka na njih.
Čini mi se da se radi o smislu koji im vjera daje.

Nije li besmisao izluđujuć?

p.s. priznajem da inzistiram na besmislu da raspirim raspravu, ali ako se malo zadržimo na smislu i besmislu - nije li baš smisao zaslužan za održavanje zdravog razuma?
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Vidim da svi tražite smisla za ludilo.

Tinker Bell, da, uobičajeno je da ljudi posegnu za vjerom i da vjera ima blagotvornog učinka na njih.
Čini mi se da se radi o smislu koji im vjera daje.

Nije li besmisao izluđujuć?

p.s. priznajem da inzistiram na besmislu da raspirim raspravu, ali ako se malo zadržimo na smislu i besmislu - nije li baš smisao zaslužan za održavanje zdravog razuma?
Sve ovisi o tome kako gledaš na stvari i na kojem si stupnju svjesnosti. Stvar je u sposobnosti prihvaćanja svega što jeste - što god to bilo. Kada smo u stanju zahvalnosti*, tada nastupa radost (joy), i ona nije povezana s vanjskim događanjima. To je točka našeg duševnog mira.

Tako netko može i u besmislu naći mir, radost i zahvalnost jer nije navezan za izvanjsko.
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Lakše je odbaciti um (ego) koji se pokazao neproduktivan, neuravnotežen, ''bolestan''. Na njega se ne možeš osloniti, zato se lakše ne vezati za njega - jer je službeno ''lud''. S druge strane je prostor, tišina, smisao.


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Nećete vjerovati ali danas sam dva puta prevodila taj tekst i dva puta mi je prije postanje nestalo struje i sve izgubljeno.

Shvatila sam to kao znak da se ne petljam.
Eh? Znak od neobjasnjivog? Ili objasnjivog? Svakako neceg "viseg"?
Smatraš sebe ludom ako se petljaš ? Ili ako se ne petljaš? Ili razumnom...
A sta ako se neko VEOMA plaši nečega njemu neobjašnjivog A mora izaći iz toga, da li sme rizikovati sopstveno ludilo kako bi pobedio ono što ga uništava? Kada osoba ne može nazad A ne sme napred A nikako ne može ostati gde je šta je rešenje? Poludeti do kraja? Ili ostati lud do pola? Ili pobediti STRAHOVE... Pobediti ludilo koje nam kreiraju van naše volje i znanja... i pobediti neobjasnjivo?

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Eh? Znak od neobjasnjivog? Ili objasnjivog? Svakako neceg "viseg"?
Smatraš sebe ludom ako se petljaš ? Ili ako se ne petljaš? Ili razumnom...
A sta ako se neko VEOMA plaši nečega njemu neobjašnjivog A mora izaći iz toga, da li sme rizikovati sopstveno ludilo kako bi pobedio ono što ga uništava? Kada osoba ne može nazad A ne sme napred A nikako ne može ostati gde je šta je rešenje? Poludeti do kraja? Ili ostati lud do pola? Ili pobediti STRAHOVE... Pobediti ludilo koje nam kreiraju van naše volje i znanja... i pobediti neobjasnjivo?
Ne znam. Ne bih se ja tu previše miješala. Dam svoje mišljenje i savjet ako me se pita i to je to. Svatko ima neku svoju karmičku zadaću i uvijek je dobro držati se zlatnog pravila: ne možeš pomoći onome tko sam sebi ne želi pomoći i tko se sam ne želi angažirati u samorazvoju.

Mogu suosjećati s takvom osobom, ali joj ne mogu pomoći.

Ono što znam iz osobnog iskustva je da čovjek sam treba i može, ako je naumio, sebi najbolje pomoći i može se izvući iz bilo koje situacije i problema. No, taj put nije jednostavan i zahtijeva veliko zalaganje, predanost i disciplinu. Ali je zato nagrada na kraju odgovarajuća.

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EMINEM je ok.
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ova tema je ozbiljnija...

LUDILO

Ludilo nije bolest. Ludilo nije poremecaj. Ludilo je posledica.
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Najbitnije je da si ti shvatio.

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Evo nesto citam vesti... i procitam: covek bio cele noci na fejsu... netu...
i shvatio da je nesrecan.. i doslo mu da nekoga ubije... i ubio!!! 'Ladno.
svakome ko proucava ljudski um (kao hobi ili profesija) nije jednistavno da shvati da li je ovaj covek lud. Poremecen. Bolestan. Debil (malouman -nesposoban za empatiju i logiku)..???
sta je on?
ludacko delo. Neupitno.
ali...
zar nije mogao da se napije k'o svinja zato sto je nesrecan? Ili proseta gradom..
ne. Ako izadje medju ljude oseti se usamljenim i nevoljenim. Jos nevoljenijim. On sam a drugi se grle i vole.
resenje?
mnogo toga. ZLOCIN NIKADA. To je razlika izmedju ludila i normalnog razmatranja.
nije jednostavno. Skoro svakome od nas se desilo da se osetimo lose.. usamljeno... nesrecni.. ostavljeno... bolesno... da nas ne razumeju.. da nema nacina da nam bude bolhe.. samo gore..itd.
nije lako. ALI...
ako usled tuge padnemo u mrznju to je OPASNO. Pitanje je i da li je ovaj ubica MRZEO. LUDILO NE MORA UKLJUCIVATI MRZNjU.
SAM CIN TESKOG NERAZUMA JESTE LUDILO. Sa ili bez emocije. Sa ili bez plana. (Ne govorim o afektnom stanju)
odlucis nekoga da ubijes. Izadjes. Ubijes. Ili... izadjes. Bez cilja. I ubijes.
kako prepoznati? (Ludaka u pokusaju da naudi nekome)
tesko. Skoro nemoguce u slucajevima kada osoba ne pokazuje namer sve do ludackog cina.
ludilo.
uzrok?
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