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Nepročitano 17-07-15, 16:57   #391
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Da bi našao sebe čovjek bi trebao biti izgubljen.
Zašto misliš da bi trebao biti izgubljen?


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Pa mislim da je čovjek (generalno gledajući) zaista izgubljen.


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Pa mislim da je čovjek (generalno gledajući) zaista izgubljen.
Izgubljena si?


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Rekla sam - generalno gledajući.

Ali da - i ja sam na neki način izgubljena, iako sada manje nego prije.

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Rekla sam - generalno gledajući.

Ali da - i ja sam na neki način izgubljena, iako sada manje nego prije.

Ti nisi?
Više volim pogled iz sebe.
Mislim da jesam donekle izgubljen.


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Zašto misliš da bi trebao biti izgubljen?
Zbog djelovanja.
Malo koji čovjek djeluje za vlastito dobro koje uključuje i korist zajednice ako nije stavljen u položaj da djeluje koji nije nimalo udoban niti "siguran" po pitanju imanja kontrole i odgovornosti.


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Zbog djelovanja.
Malo koji čovjek djeluje za vlastito dobro koje uključuje i korist zajednice ako nije stavljen u položaj da djeluje koji nije nimalo udoban niti "siguran" po pitanju imanja kontrole i odgovornosti.

Ne bih se složio. Većina nas će se u tramvaju dići i prepustit sjedalo staroj osobi ili trudnici, pomoći i nastojati zaštititi malo izgubljeno dijete, nećemo krasti, silovati i ubijati. Iako možda primjeri djeluju trivijalno, nismo uvijek takvi bili. Imali smo pokolje trudnica i djece u biblijskim vremenima, robovlasništvo u Egiptu, Grčkoj, Rimskom carstvu i mnogim drugim kulturama, kanibalizam, inkviziciju, feudalizam itd.

Daleko smo odmakli u ime općeg dobra.


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Ne bih se složio. Većina nas će se u tramvaju dići i prepustit sjedalo staroj osobi ili trudnici, pomoći i nastojati zaštititi malo izgubljeno dijete, nećemo krasti, silovati i ubijati. Iako možda primjeri djeluju trivijalno, nismo uvijek takvi bili. Imali smo pokolje trudnica i djece u biblijskim vremenima, robovlasništvo u Egiptu, Grčkoj, Rimskom carstvu i mnogim drugim kulturama, kanibalizam, inkviziciju, feudalizam itd.

Daleko smo odmakli u ime općeg dobra.
S jedne strane da - ali s druge, pogledaj kako se mnogo ljudi odnosi prema prirodi, prema resursima, prema okolišu, pa i prema slabijim i nemoćnima. Nažalost imam i osobnih iskustava. Znala sam se srušiti na cesti zbog niskog tlaka - dakle, žensko sam, ne izgledan ni ko pijanica ni narkoman - jel mi vjeruješ da sam znala ležati na pločniku (na najprometnijoj cesti u Zg) po pola sata da se nitko ne bi osvrnuo niti mi pomogao?


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Znala sam se srušiti na cesti zbog niskog tlaka - dakle, žensko sam, ne izgledan ni ko pijanica ni narkoman - jel mi vjeruješ da sam znala ležati na pločniku (na najprometnijoj cesti u Zg) po pola sata da se nitko ne bi osvrnuo niti mi pomogao?
Ja padala u nesvijest u ambulanti, a gomila baba i deda se nastavili gurati ko će prije doći na red, a ja mlađa pa mogu i da umrem tu, ništa što sam izgubila svijest, oni su bolesniji




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