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Ima puno toga, nemam vremena sada.ali nešto mora. O kakvim mislima govorimo?
Pobogu jesam,pa ja dobro i predobro poznajem pse i mace. ONI MISLE ALI NE RAZMIŠLJAJU. Shvataš sada šta govorim? Bilo šta. Što životinje urade i odluče proizvod je misaonog procesa. Ali ne razmišljaju. NEMAJU SPOSOBNOST. Kreacije lingvistickih formi. Na to mislim. Naš jezik nema različite pojmove za te stvari pa se gresi u razumevanju. Zato gluva deca imaju problem sa razvojem govora. RAZMIŠLJANJE SE UČI. Shvataš šta govorim? Niti znamo kako životinje misle niti kako su ljudi mislili pre pojave artikulisanih pojmova.mi nikako ne možemo znati šta im je u glavi samo vidimo rezultat misaonog procesa. ZATO NIKO NE MOZE RAZMIŠLJATI NA JEZIKU KOJI NE ZNA VEĆ SAMO NA JEZIKU KOJI POZNAJE. Životinje ne znaju da govore. Inače bi razmišljale. Kako donose odluke niko ne zna. Gluva Deca moraju naučiti jezik da bi razmišljala. U suprotnom bi ti ili ja mogli razmišljati na nama nepoznatim jezicima.


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Ima puno toga, nemam vremena sada.ali nešto mora. O kakvim mislima govorimo?
Pobogu jesam,pa ja dobro i predobro poznajem pse i mace. ONI MISLE ALI NE RAZMIŠLJAJU. Shvataš sada šta govorim? Bilo šta. Što životinje urade i odluče proizvod je misaonog procesa. Ali ne razmišljaju. NEMAJU SPOSOBNOST. Kreacije lingvistickih formi. Na to mislim. Naš jezik nema različite pojmove za te stvari pa se gresi u razumevanju. Zato gluva deca imaju problem sa razvojem govora. RAZMIŠLJANJE SE UČI. Shvataš šta govorim? Niti znamo kako životinje misle niti kako su ljudi mislili pre pojave artikulisanih pojmova.mi nikako ne možemo znati šta im je u glavi samo vidimo rezultat misaonog procesa. ZATO NIKO NE MOZE RAZMIŠLJATI NA JEZIKU KOJI NE ZNA VEĆ SAMO NA JEZIKU KOJI POZNAJE. Životinje ne znaju da govore. Inače bi razmišljale. Kako donose odluke niko ne zna. Gluva Deca moraju naučiti jezik da bi razmišljala. U suprotnom bi ti ili ja mogli razmišljati na nama nepoznatim jezicima.


A zašto bi hteli znati šta misle ljudi ili životinje? Kome trebaju misli, kome trebaju ideje, kome trebaju koncepti?
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Ima puno toga, nemam vremena sada.ali nešto mora. O kakvim mislima govorimo?
Pobogu jesam,pa ja dobro i predobro poznajem pse i mace. ONI MISLE ALI NE RAZMIŠLJAJU. Shvataš sada šta govorim. Bilo šta. Što životinje urade i odluče proizvod je misaonog procesa. Ali ne razmišljaju. NEMAJU SPOSOBNOST. Kreacije lingvistickih formi. Na to mislim.
Nažalost ne a sumnjam da i ti razumiješ. Molim te definiraj razlikovnost misli i razmišljanja. Misao čini dio razmišljanja i neodvojiv je dio tog procesa. Da životinje razmišljaju, i to ne samo mačke i psi nego i ptice i ribe, dokaz su istraživanja u kojima oni rješavaju kompleksne zadatke koje nisu mogla riješiti djeca o dobi od 6-10 godina. Treba li više dokaza???

To što životinje ne govore hrvatski ili engleski ili swahili ne znači da nisu sposobne za razmišljanje. Otkud ti uopće takva suluda pomisao?

Oni imaju svoj jezik koji oni jako dobro razumiju. To što ne mogu govoriti poput nas stvar je u tome da im nisu formirani organi koji bi podržavali govor kao kod ljudi a ne to što oni ne bi mogli formirati i verbalizirati svoju misao.

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Zato gluva deca imaju problem sa razvojem govora. RAZMIŠLJANJE SE UČI. Shvataš šta govorim? Niti znamo kako životinje misle niti kako su ljudi mislili pre pojave artikulisanih pojmova.mi nikako ne možemo znati šta im je u glavi samo vidimo rezultat misaonog procesa. ZATO NIKO NE MOZE RAZMIŠLJATI NA JEZIKU KOJI NE ZNA VEĆ SAMO NA JEZIKU KOJI POZNAJE. Životinje ne znaju da govore. Inače bi razmišljale. Kako donose odluke niko ne zna. Gluva Deca moraju naučiti jezik da bi razmišljala. U suprotnom bi ti ili ja mogli razmišljati na nama nepoznatim jezicima.
Uopće ne znam što bih ti rekla na ovo, osim - molim te informiraj se malo bolje. Otkuda ti vadiš te pretpostavke? Gluha djeca imaju problema s razvojem govora jer ne čuju pa ne znaju kako formirati glas i kako se služiti glasnicama!!!! Zaboga miloga!

Ti brkaš babe i žabe do neslućenih razmjera a zaključuješ temeljem samo tebi poznatih izmišljenih premisa.

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Nažalost ne a sumnjam da i ti razumiješ. Molim te definiraj razlikovnost misli i razmišljanja. Misao čini dio razmišljanja i neodvojiv je dio tog procesa. Da životinje razmišljaju, i to ne samo mačke i psi nego i ptice i ribe, dokaz su istraživanja u kojima oni rješavaju kompleksne zadatke koje nisu mogla riješiti djeca o dobi od 6-10 godina. Treba li više dokaza???

To što životinje ne govore hrvatski ili engleski ili swahili ne znači da nisu sposobne za razmišljanje. Otkud ti uopće takva suluda pomisao?

Oni imaju svoj jezik koji oni jako dobro razumiju. To što ne mogu govoriti poput nas stvar je u tome da im nisu formirani organi koji bi podržavali govor kao kod ljudi a ne to što oni ne bi mogli formirati i verbalizirati svoju misao.



Uopće ne znam što bih ti rekla na ovo, osim - molim te informiraj se malo bolje. Otkuda ti vadiš te pretpostavke? Gluha djeca imaju problema s razvojem govora jer ne čuju pa ne znaju kako formirati glas i kako se služiti glasnicama!!!! Zaboga miloga!

Ti brkaš babe i žabe do neslućenih razmjera a zaključuješ temeljem samo tebi poznatih izmišljenih premisa.

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Imas uzasan nacin komunikacije.
ne mogu se raspravljati... nedelja je. Idem se prosetati. Hladno je ali setnja prija.


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Moj način razmišljanja temelji se na logici i uopće nije užasan nego je odličan a moja komunikacija jest možda oštra ali se temelji na znanju i logčnoj argumentaciji. Jasno mi je da nekome može djelovati "užasno". Nije lako sa mnom raspravljati jer se ne upuštam u rasprave osim ako nisam sasvim sigurna u ono što govorim.

Tebi je to užasno jer ne prihvaćam nekritički logičke nedostatke tvojeg razmišljanja i netočne zaključke. Žao mi je, no tu ništa ne mogu.

Mislim da ti brkaš razmišljanje i svijest. Uvriježeno je mišljenje da životinja nema svijest, no i to je diskutabilno i ni po čemu potvrđeno. Neposredna opažanja i neovisna istraživanja uopće ne upućuju na taj zaključak, prema tome - nešto pretpostavljati a bez čvrstih dokaza nije baš uputno niti inteligentno.

Eh, pa imaš pravo - nedjelja je i prekrasan dan pa odoh malo u šumu ... sa svoja 4 psa. Odosmo malo komunicirati bez riječi.


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Samo još ovo dok nisam zaboravila ...

Poznato je da postoji telepatska komunikacija i na tome su rađena bezbrojna istraživanja. Kako postoji među ljudima, tako postoji i među životinjama, odnosno ona je moguća između životinja i ljudi.

Ako je točno ono što ti tvrdiš, kako je moguća telepatska komunikacija između dvoje ljudi koji ne govore istim jezikom, odnosno između životinje i čovjeka, ako životinja po tebi ne zna razmišljati i ne razumije govor?

Konkretno - ako ja razmišljam na hrvatskom ili engleskom - kako to da životinja može uhvatiti moju misao? Ili obrnuto?

Misao je energija i namjera i u tome je tajna. Govor je u konačnici sasvim nebitan. On je zapravo vrlo ograničavajući faktor i nametnut nam je kako bi našoj duši namakao uzde. Sjeti se kule babilonske.


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A zašto bi hteli znati šta misle ljudi ili životinje? Kome trebaju misli, kome trebaju ideje, kome trebaju koncepti?


Životinje reaguju kroz instinkte, a instinkt, nema veze sa mislima, ali avaj...Ništa ne možete odgovoriti...nije ni čudno. Zato što je uzročno posledično, povezano sa temom.
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Nalaziš se u snu=iluziji suludo je da se toliko identifikuješ sa iluzijom, a koncepti, ideje termini, tvom umu omogućavaju da san=iluzija postane stvarnost i još se na dnevnoj bazi slažeš sa tuđim iluzijama samim tim daješ dozvolu, i to da te povređuju ,,,,,what a joke I od tolikih identifikacija i poistovećivanja sa senzacijama, konceptima, idejama i terminima koje puštaš u Um....ne vidiš da samo imaš......sadašnji trenutak.
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da mi je neki "muski "pa da ga ocerupam...

Ne znam kako ova tema zavrsi na zivotinjskim instiktima ?


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