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Nepročitano 29-11-13, 10:27   #131
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To je pod pretpostavkom da duša uistinu fizički zauzima neki obujam i da podliježe klasičnim zakonima fizike.
Mislim, niš ne tvrdim jer ne znam - samo razmišljam na glas.
Ne znam da li Sheldoni i Sheldonice imaju mandat diskutirati po tom pitanju jer su previše uronjeni u materijalistički bitak .

Ne govorim o fizičkom, nego metafizičkom pojmu zauzetosti . Duša kao energetski pojam. Ako već moram ići u materijalnu analogiju, mogli bismo to usporediti sa jakim električnim poljem koje djeluje na određenom volumenu prostora i koje uzrokuje razne manifestacije unutar tog prostora. Materija u prostoru je ugođena na frekvencije tog polja (recimo kao radio na određenu radiostanicu), pa polje može upravljati materijom na taj način (analogija-čuje se zvuk iz zvučnika).
Ako sada dovedemo polje druge frekvencije na isto mjesto, materija neće "slušati" to polje. Eventualno bi se mogle pojaviti manje smetnje uslijed interferecije.
A novo polje istovrsne frekvencije ne može postojati jer bi to bio klon .
Tako su mi objasnili oni gore... mislim, kada već svi dobivaju poruke od vodiča, anđela, i intergalaktičkih učitelja, što ne bih i ja
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Ne znam da li Sheldoni i Sheldonice imaju mandat diskutirati po tom pitanju jer su previše uronjeni u materijalistički bitak .

Ne govorim o fizičkom, nego metafizičkom pojmu zauzetosti . Duša kao energetski pojam. Ako već moram ići u materijalnu analogiju, mogli bismo to usporediti sa jakim električnim poljem koje djeluje na određenom volumenu prostora i koje uzrokuje razne manifestacije unutar tog prostora. Materija u prostoru je ugođena na frekvencije tog polja (recimo kao radio na određenu radiostanicu), pa polje može upravljati materijom na taj način (analogija-čuje se zvuk iz zvučnika).
Ako sada dovedemo polje druge frekvencije na isto mjesto, materija neće "slušati" to polje. Eventualno bi se mogle pojaviti manje smetnje uslijed interferecije.
A novo polje istovrsne frekvencije ne može postojati jer bi to bio klon .
Tako su mi objasnili oni gore... mislim, kada već svi dobivaju poruke od vodiča, anđela, i intergalaktičkih učitelja, što ne bih i ja
Hmmm, zanimljivo objašnjenje!

Ali to i opet korelira sa zakonima ovozemaljske fizike (metafizika je grana filozofije pod koju spadaju npr. ontologija i kozmologija). Električno polje ili volumen, sve je to fizika, a ne metafizika - i sve je to onako kako mi možemo iz ove naše perspektive nešto pojmiti i shvatiti, a pitanje je ima li još nečeg pored toga a što još uvijek danas ne razumijemo. Recimo, kao što kod crnih rupa ne vrijede više nikakvi zakoni fizike.

Ako se druga duša "useli", onda valjda potisne onu prvu ... uostalom ... bla, bla ... whatever.


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Hmmm, zanimljivo objašnjenje!

Ali to i opet korelira sa zakonima ovozemaljske fizike (metafizika je grana filozofije pod koju spadaju npr. ontologija i kozmologija). Električno polje ili volumen, sve je to fizika, a ne metafizika - i sve je to onako kako mi možemo iz ove naše perspektive nešto pojmiti i shvatiti, a pitanje je ima li još nečeg pored toga a što još uvijek danas ne razumijemo. Recimo, kao što kod crnih rupa ne vrijede više nikakvi zakoni fizike.

Ako se druga duša "useli", onda valjda potisne onu prvu ... uostalom ... bla, bla ... whatever.
Koji si ti analizatorski davež, što je Sheldon naspram tebi .
Dakle, govorio sam o čistoj ANALOGIJI. Analogijama se koristimo kada nešto svojim jadnim umom intuitivno osjećamo, ali se ne znamo izraziti
Upravo si to dobro rekla, zakoni fizike koje MI poznajemo za sada vrijede u našem kutku svemira, ali zakoni "konačne" fizike... mi ih ne možemo znati. Tek možda osjetiti sjenu nečega bitnog što ne možemo percipirati. Poput recimo Higgsovog bozona s kojim sad uopće ne znamo što bi
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A i sire, itd.... akakve to ima veze sa reinkarnacijom i karmom? Ne, ne, zao mi je nemate pravo na repliku.....
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Koji si ti analizatorski davež, što je Sheldon naspram tebi .
Nomen est omen.


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Dakle, govorio sam o čistoj ANALOGIJI. Analogijama se koristimo kada nešto svojim jadnim umom intuitivno osjećamo, ali se ne znamo izraziti
Upravo si to dobro rekla, zakoni fizike koje MI poznajemo za sada vrijede u našem kutku svemira, ali zakoni "konačne" fizike... mi ih ne možemo znati. Tek možda osjetiti sjenu nečega bitnog što ne možemo percipirati.

Poput recimo Higgsovog bozona s kojim sad uopće ne znamo što bi
Gle, znaš da Sheldon ima i na ovo repliku ...


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Ako ćemo bit precizni, onda moramo znati porijeklo i značenje riječi: elem dakle, "metafizika" dolazi od grčke riječi 'meta ta phisika', što znači "iza fizike".


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Ako ćemo bit precizni, onda moramo znati porijeklo i značenje riječi: elem dakle, "metafizika" dolazi od grčke riječi 'meta ta phisika', što znači "iza fizike".
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A i sire, itd.... akakve to ima veze sa reinkarnacijom i karmom? Ne, ne, zao mi je nemate pravo na repliku.....
Samo ti "čačkaj mečku", kada sheldonica počne objašnjavati dodirne točke, svi smo nadrapali
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Ajd da sad malo ja davim . Ne kužim zapravo što je sporno sa metafizikom, wikipedia kaže ovo:

Metaphysics is a traditional branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world that encompasses it,[1] although the term is not easily defined.[2] Traditionally, metaphysics attempts to answer two basic questions in the broadest possible terms:[3]
  1. What is ultimately there?
  2. What is it like?


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